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Re: [Spud] Bare-minimum PLUS (was Re: Thoughts on the privacy concerns expressed at the BoF)

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Fri, 29 July 2016 13:27 UTC

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From: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [Spud] Bare-minimum PLUS (was Re: Thoughts on the privacy concerns expressed at the BoF)
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On 7/29/16 3:08 PM, Kyle Rose wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com
> <mailto:lear@cisco.com>> wrote:
>
>     Kyle,
>
>     On 7/29/16 2:39 PM, Kyle Rose wrote:
>>
>>     No one is going to break the sockets API anytime soon, but having
>>     to develop a new API for modern protocols would be a nice problem
>>     to have. First, though, we need to figure out how to route those
>>     protocols through the boxes that right now assume the entire
>>     internet runs over a snapshot of TCP from 20 years ago.
>>
>
>     We now have platforms that lose backward compatibility in as
>     little as a year.  And so if a transport interface is being rev'd,
>     a developer may be left to only guess at which point it will be
>     stable.  In as much as the semantics are changing, that's a problem.
>
>
> Are you referring to QUIC?

No.  I am not.  I am reflecting on how people may really have overlooked
the value of ossification at the waist.  But there is such a thing as
overdoing it, and were I a transport developer I'd want things a little
easier to change too.  Yin/yang (no pun intended).

Eliot

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