Re: [stir] Review of: draft-ietf-stir-rfc4474bis-10

"Peterson, Jon" <jon.peterson@neustar.biz> Wed, 24 August 2016 07:32 UTC

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From: "Peterson, Jon" <jon.peterson@neustar.biz>
To: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>, "stir@ietf.org" <stir@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [stir] Review of: draft-ietf-stir-rfc4474bis-10
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Okay, okay, we will endeavor to improve the "header" terminology here.

Jon Peterson
Neustar, Inc.

On 8/19/16, 9:13 AM, "stir on behalf of Paul Kyzivat"
<stir-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

>On 8/18/16 2:19 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From my experience as GenART reviewer, I can say that usage of
>>>consistent >terminology is something that the whole IETF suffers from.
>>>But, it¹s getting better :)
>>
>> The usage of inconsistent terminology, that is.
>
>+1
>
>For the specific case of header vs. header field vs. header field
>parameter, these have long been used in a sloppy way. (And I admit to
>being a frequent offender.)
>
>Also note that while "header field" is used widely in 3261 it is never
>defined. By context it is clear that it means the same as the abnf rule
>"message-header".
>
>Nor is there any definition of "header" in an unqualified form in 3261,
>nor (afaik) any use of that.
>
>In informal conversation it is common to use "header" in lieu of
>"message-header"/"header field", and I would be shocked if its use ever
>causes any confusion.
>
>I am in favor of cleaning up usage for consistency, using "header field"
>or "header field parameter" when appropriate. But I consider this an
>editorial issue, not a semantic issue.
>
>	Thanks,
>	Paul
>
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