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"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Mon, 06 June 2022 23:33 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>, Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
CC: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, GENDISPATCH List <gendispatch@ietf.org>, "tao-discuss@ietf.org" <tao-discuss@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [tao-discuss] [Gendispatch] Requests for IETF 114
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Subject: Re: [tao-discuss] [Gendispatch] Requests for IETF 114
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>    As it happens, I drafted the original version of that page in 2013, and I 
    believe this text has survived pretty much unchanged:

>    "The Tao of the IETF is a must read document. If you read nothing else, read this."

>    The basic question here, where there appears to be genuine disagreement, is whether we want that statement to remain true.

That's a pretty good summary of the disagreement.  But "if you read nothing else" -- does watching video's count?

>    Personally, I think it's good to have a single document for this material, and that it should be printable. 

I'd like to know why it is important for someone new to the IETF to know that the first meeting was at a company that no longer exists.

As for printable: this is not the Internet of 30 years ago. Video is commonplace.  What is missing from this playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC86T-6ZTP5hFWNekiZYEYwEqVWB-cwfr which runs a total of 20 minutes?

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