Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization - request for discussion
Yoshifumi Nishida <nsd.ietf@gmail.com> Thu, 14 October 2021 01:51 UTC
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From: Yoshifumi Nishida <nsd.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 18:50:48 -0700
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization - request for discussion
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Hi Med, Thanks for the link. Yes, I think there are some common things in both drafts. I will definitely note or discuss it in the next version. Please allow some time to think about this a bit more. -- Yoshi On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 3:59 AM <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote: > Re-, > > > > Thanks for the pointer. > > > > I like the aggregation option spirit. It is advanced compared to a design > proposal we had in > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-boucadair-tcpm-capability-option-01. > Please note that in draft-boucadair-tcpm-capability-option, we had a > specific applicability scope for which we don’t have the negotiation issue > that may be applicable to draft-nishida-tcpm-agg-syn-ext. No? > > > > Cheers, > > Med > > > > *De :* Yoshifumi Nishida <nsd.ietf@gmail.com> > *Envoyé :* mercredi 13 octobre 2021 12:16 > *À :* BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> > *Cc :* Wesley Eddy <wes@mti-systems.com>; touch@strayalpha.com; tcpm < > tcpm@ietf.org> > *Objet :* Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization - request for > discussion > > > > Hi Med, > > FWIW, I wrote > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-nishida-tcpm-agg-syn-ext-00.txt > which can extend SYN option space without using OOB packets. > > As SYN option space extension is an important and fundamental feature, I > personally prefer to discuss the doc at the WG. > > -- > > Yoshi > > > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 2:07 AM <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I agree with Wes. > > Solving the SYN case is more problematic (e.g., consider an application > relying upon MP_CAPABLE + FAST_OPEN). We managed to solve this specific > issue in RFC8803 without requiring SYN-EOS/OOB, but that approach cannot be > generalized. Having a tcpm WG document to cover the SYN case + discuss the > issues of an OOB mechanism is useful. > > Cheers, > Med > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : tcpm <tcpm-bounces@ietf.org> De la part de Wesley Eddy > > Envoyé : mardi 12 octobre 2021 22:07 > > À : touch@strayalpha.com; tcpm <tcpm@ietf.org> > > Objet : Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization - request for > > discussion > > > > On 10/12/2021 3:50 PM, touch@strayalpha.com wrote: > > > > > > - are there any open issues or pending suggestions to TCP EDO to > > > prepare it for last call? > > > > > I think it's in good shape for a last call. It's stable and addresses > all > > of the feedback to date, aside from greater implementation and field > > experience. At the moment, it seems like QUIC has solved the burning > need > > we had for TCP options space, by attracting all the work that would > > normally need more options. However, after many years of discussion about > > how to handle this for TCP, and many candidates, the EDO approach was the > > one the working group was able to get consensus around, and we really > > should wrap up and publish it, IMHO. > > > > > > > - would the WG like to adopt SYN-EXT-OPT as experimental as well or > > > would it be preferred (and OK) to submit this as > > > individual/experimental if not? > > > > > Either approach is fine with me, and I prefer either of them rather than > > not advancing anything. 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- [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization - req… touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… Wesley Eddy
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… touch@strayalpha.com
- [tcpm] call for feedback on SYN-EXT-OPT draft Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] call for feedback on SYN-EXT-OPT draft touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: [tcpm] call for feedback on SYN-EXT-OPT draft touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… Joe Touch
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [tcpm] TCP EDO and SYN-EXT-OPT finalization -… touch@strayalpha.com