Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Slicing Service Model?
John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net> Fri, 25 March 2022 21:55 UTC
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From: John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>
To: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
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Thread-Topic: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Slicing Service Model?
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Subject: Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Slicing Service Model?
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Did we not make it clear that SLOs and SLEs are used to create an SLA? Yours Irrespectively, John Juniper Business Use Only > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 3:52 PM > To: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> > Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Slicing Service Model? > > [External Email. Be cautious of content] > > > Sounds like we need to clarify the verbiage. SLEs are, as I understand it, indeed > non-measurables. But they are not the legal translation of the SLOs. They are > expression of customer expectations that are not directly observable or > measurable. The example I have the easiest time understanding is that the > customer expects the operator to encrypt the traffic across the service. > > Yours, > Joel > > On 3/25/2022 3:07 PM, Gyan Mishra wrote: > > Hi Med & Joel > > > > I reread section 4.1 of the slice draft and to me it seems that SLO is > > from provider POV measurable indicators and SLE is the is unmeasurable > > expectations which is makes up the customer fulfillment of obligations > > by the provider which would be like taking the tangible measurement > > characteristics from the SLO and translation into legal obligation > > fulfillment verbiage that goes into the service agreement. So as the > > SLE is not tangible but just a translation of SLO metrics into legal > > verbiage my thoughts are that the framework as well as Yang model need > > only focus on the SLO tangible metrics and leave the intangible for > > the lawyers writing the customer agreement. > > > > > > 4.1 > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft- > ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices-09*section-4.1__;Iw!!NEt6yMaO- > gk!VrEVB46KF20816iW_4FlbM4JGWGSLyFu-vk4PGWX_- > LiOR92MnzCJzyL9ESsViw$ >. > > Objectives for IETF Network Slices > > > > An IETF Network Slice service is defined in terms of quantifiable > > characteristics known as Service Level Objectives (SLOs) and > > unquantifiable characteristics known as Service Level Expectations > > (SLEs). SLOs are expressed in terms Service Level Indicators (SLIs), > > and together with the SLEs form the contractual agreement between > > service customer and service provider known as a Service Level > > Agreement (SLA). > > > > The terms are defined as follows: > > > > * A Service Level Indicator (SLI) is a quantifiable measure of an > > aspect of the performance of a network. For example, it may be a > > measure of throughput in bits per second, or it may be a measure > > of latency in milliseconds. > > > > * A Service Level Objective (SLO) is a target value or range for the > > measurements returned by observation of an SLI. For example, an > > SLO may be expressed as "SLI <= target", or "lower bound <= SLI <= > > upper bound". A customer can determine whether the provider is > > meeting the SLOs by performing measurements on the traffic. > > > > * A Service Level Expectation (SLE) is an expression of an > > unmeasurable service-related request that a customer of an IETF > > Network Slice makes of the provider. An SLE is distinct from an > > SLO because the customer may have little or no way of determining > > whether the SLE is being met, but they still contract with the > > provider for a service that meets the expectation. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:36 AM <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>> wrote: > > > > Re-, > > > > They shouldn't! > > > > This is why I'm suggesting to not have that tagging frozen in the > > model. We can simply have a provision for a set of parameters. These > > parameters will be included to characterize the service with a > > service assurance component that will call out the identity of the > > subset of parameters that will be used as committed ones. That > > component will also include other data to ensure the same based used > > for assessment, etc. > > > > Cheers, > > Med > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De : Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com > > <mailto:jmh@joelhalpern.com>> > > > Envoyé : jeudi 24 mars 2022 15:29 > > > À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>> > > > Cc : 'TEAS WG' <teas@ietf.org <mailto:teas@ietf.org>>; > > adrian@olddog.co.uk <mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk> > > > Objet : Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Slicing > > Service > > > Model? > > > > > > If the others are best effort, why would they be included in the SLO? > > > (We do not assume that every IETF network slice service will > > specify all > > > possible parameters.) > > > > > > Yours, > > > Joel > > > > > > On 3/24/2022 10:20 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote: > > > > Re-, > > > > > > > > Some services may be sensitive to delay for example but the > > slice service > > > request may include (for whatever reason) not only the delay, but > > also > > > other attributes that are currently listed as SLOs in the draft. The > > > provider is requested to only commit on the delay and best effort > > for the > > > other attributes. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Med > > > > > > > >> -----Message d'origine----- > > > >> De : Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com > > <mailto:jmh@joelhalpern.com>> Envoyé : jeudi 24 mars > > > >> 2022 15:07 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET > > > >> <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>> Cc : 'TEAS WG' > <teas@ietf.org > > <mailto:teas@ietf.org>>; > > > >> adrian@olddog.co.uk <mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk> Objet : Re: > > [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be > > > >> in the Slicing Service Model? > > > >> > > > >> Interesting. If they are indeed not coupled, then you are clearly > > > >> correct about representation. > > > >> > > > >> Can you give an example so I can understand when they would not be > > > coupled. > > > >> I had leapt to the (quite possibly incorrect) conclusion that > > the two > > > >> sets of properties went together. > > > >> > > > >> Thank you, > > > >> Joel > > > >> > > > >> On 3/24/2022 10:03 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote: > > > >>> Hi Joel, > > > >>> > > > >>> It is. > > > >>> > > > >>> As mentioned below, this should be covered as part of service > > > >> assurance/fulfillment/reporting parameters. Which parameters > > to put > > > >> there is deployment-specific. Not all parameters tagged as SLO > > in the > > > >> framework will end up as part of the > > assurance/fulfillment/reporting. > > > >>> > > > >>> Cheers, > > > >>> Med > > > >>> > > > >>>> -----Message d'origine----- > > > >>>> De : Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com > > <mailto:jmh@joelhalpern.com>> Envoyé : jeudi 24 mars > > > >>>> 2022 14:52 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET > > > >>>> <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>>; adrian@olddog.co.uk > > <mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>; 'TEAS WG' > > > >>>> <teas@ietf.org <mailto:teas@ietf.org>> Objet : Re: [Teas] > > What SLOs and SLEs should be in > > > >>>> the Slicing Service Model? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Isn't it important to distinguish between "these are things I > > > >>>> expect you to do, measure, and report" and "these are things I > > > >>>> would like you to do even though they are not measurable or > > > reportable"? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Yours, > > > >>>> Joel > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On 3/23/2022 10:08 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote: > > > >>>>> Hi all, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> This message actually triggers a companion comment I have > > on the > > > >>>>> SLO/SLE > > > >>>> taxonomy. From the service modeling standpoint, I suggest > > that we > > > >>>> don't inherit that taxonomy for various reasons: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> * Things would be much simpler if we just focus on service > > > >>>>> requirements > > > >>>> without making an assumption how such requirement is > > expressed and > > > >>>> whether it is > > quantified/quantitative/qualitative/measurable/etc. > > > >>>> Whether/how a specific service requirement is covered by service > > > >>>> assurance/fulfillment can be part of the slice service > > definition > > > >> itself. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> * What we may tag as an SLE today because of the technology > > > >>>>> limitations, > > > >>>> may not stay as such forever. It may be true that an > > "expectation" > > > >>>> may not be easily assessed using current techniques (and thus be > > > >>>> tagged as SLE), but this does not prevent that innovative means > > > >>>> would be defined in the future (which means that it is an > > SLO, not > > > >>>> an SLE > > > >> anymore). > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> * We are artificially adding extra complexity for the modelling > > > >>>>> part as > > > >>>> service requirement will need to be classified based as SLO > > or SLEs. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> * I remember that Kiran agreed at least to not import that > > > >>>>> taxonomy into > > > >>>> the data model when we were discussing the call for adoption > > of the > > > >>>> slice > > > >>>> definition: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> ==(the full message from Kiran can be found in the archives)=== > > > >>>>> "However, it should not imply that NBI models are required > > to have > > > >>>> SLE/SLO indicators and I totally agreed with your comments on > > > >>>> draft-wd- teas-ietf-network-slice-nbi-yang-03" > > > >>>>> == > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Cheers, > > > >>>>> Med > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> -----Message d'origine----- > > > >>>>>> De : Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org > > <mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org>> De la part de Adrian Farrel > > > >>>>>> Envoyé > > > >>>>>> : mercredi 23 mars 2022 14:47 À : 'TEAS WG' <teas@ietf.org > > <mailto:teas@ietf.org>> Objet : > > > >>>>>> [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Slicing Service > > Model? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Hi, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Sorry for my audio being a mess in TEAS today. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I believe I heard the discussion between Kireeti and Reza > > > >>>>>> correctly, and there was some follow-up in the chat. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I agree that "Protection" is a realisation feature and so it > > > >>>>>> qualifies as an SLE, if at all. > > > >>>>>> But "Reliability" is clearly an SLO. Usually expressed as > > maximum > > > >>>>>> down- time per unit of time, or maximum lost traffic. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> There was one thing that I *think* I heard. This was Reza > > saying > > > >>>>>> that the service YANG model was only including the SLOs > > and SLEs > > > >>>>>> noted in the framework. Maybe I misheard "only" because I > > think > > > >>>>>> that might be a mistake. > > > >>>>>> The YANG model should certainly be interested in what the > > > >>>>>> framework says, but it is not a requirement that all SLOs and > > > >>>>>> SLEs in the framework be in the model if the authors find that > > > >>>>>> there is no interest in implementing them, and there should > > > >>>>>> certainly be no limitation about including additional SLOs > > or SLEs > > > in the YANG model. > > > >>>>>> Indeed, the SLOs and SLEs listed in the framework are > > presented > > > >>>>>> as > > > >>>> examples. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Cheers, > > > >>>>>> Adrian > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>> Teas mailing list > > > >>>>>> Teas@ietf.org <mailto:Teas@ietf.org> > > > >>>>>> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas__;!!N > Et6yMaO-gk!VrEVB46KF20816iW_4FlbM4JGWGSLyFu-vk4PGWX_- > LiOR92MnzCJzyLzCREI4M$ > > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas__;!! > NEt6yMaO-gk!VrEVB46KF20816iW_4FlbM4JGWGSLyFu-vk4PGWX_- > LiOR92MnzCJzyLzCREI4M$ > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > _ > > > >>>>> __ __ > ___________________________________________________ > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des > > informations > > > >>>>> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre > > > >>>>> diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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- [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Slicin… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] [E] Re: What SLOs and SLEs should be i… Jalil, Luay
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… John E Drake
- [Teas] Protection: SLO or SLE? [Re: What SLOs and… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Teas] Protection: SLO or SLE? [Re: What SLOs… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] Protection: SLO or SLE? [Re: What SLOs… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Teas] Protection: SLO or SLE? [Re: What SLOs… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] What SLOs and SLEs should be in the Sl… mohamed.boucadair