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Re: [Terminology] Terminology draft revised

Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> Fri, 29 October 2021 06:59 UTC

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From: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
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Hi,

On 2021-10-29, at 6:09, Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org> wrote:
> But there was nothing racist about
> those drafts. Lars called them "racist" in a tweet but that was to appease
> the twitter mob.

I don't think I used that term on Twitter, but we did say the anonymously posted drafts in question were "racist and deeply disrespectful" in the IESG announcement about their removal: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/3U8Yem7eo3HoZa5VGE7Spnx7RIw/

Different ADs had different reasons to support that phrasing. I don't want to speak for other IESG members, but when I read the two drafts, one of the most revolting concepts was that of an algorithm to assign a "victimization score" to individuals based on their race and gender and sexual identities, etc. I come from a country (Germany) that within the last century has categorized and labeled individuals in a very similar way, in order to then prioritize the order in which to murder millions of them. I find it abhorrent to see this idea submitted to the IETF as a contribution to community discourse. And no, dressing these ideas up as humor or sarcasm or satire to me did not change their nature, nor did posting them on April 1.

Thanks,
Lars

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