Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of draft-stebila-tls-hybrid-design
Watson Ladd <watson@cloudflare.com> Wed, 12 February 2020 23:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of draft-stebila-tls-hybrid-design
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On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 3:23 PM Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, at 10:01, Carrick Bartle wrote: > > I'm brand new to the IETF, so please forgive me if I'm totally off base > > here, but my understanding is that Informational RFCs are explicitly > > not recommendations (let alone mandates)? > > This would of course be information, but my comment was about phrasing. This document comes off as being quite prescriptive, where it doesn't really need to be. Absent actual algorithms, it's just a set of guidelines. That's reflected in its Informational status, but it would be better if the verbiage also reflected that more clearly. > > To address Stephen's comment at the same time: I think that we can publish an RFC on this before the competition completes if it is just a framework. That might in fact make standardizing the one true composite scheme easier. What's the point of composite schemes after the NIST competition finishes? The reason imho to have composite schemes now is to be able to do deployment experiments where the security of the postquantum scheme doesn't negatively impact the confidentiality of the transmitted data. Obviously after a scheme has significant cryptanalysis thrown at it, the value of a composite decreases because the scheme is considered much more secure, and so the composite adds much less security and still has costs. > > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls
- [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of draft-… Douglas Stebila
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Pettis, Darin P
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Carrick Bartle
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Rob Sayre
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Douglas Stebila
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Douglas Stebila
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Dang, Quynh H. (Fed)
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Rob Sayre
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Douglas Stebila
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Carrick Bartle
- Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of dr… Russ Housley