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Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of draft-stebila-tls-hybrid-design

Watson Ladd <watson@cloudflare.com> Fri, 21 February 2020 22:28 UTC

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From: Watson Ladd <watson@cloudflare.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 14:28:36 -0800
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To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Requesting working group adoption of draft-stebila-tls-hybrid-design
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On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 2:25 PM Stephen Farrell
<stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
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> On 21/02/2020 22:11, Watson Ladd wrote:
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> > https://blog.cloudflare.com/towards-post-quantum-cryptography-in-tls/
> > https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-tls-post-quantum-experiment/
> >
> > This was also presented at the NIST standardization workshop in October of 2019.
>
> Thanks. I read through [1]. It's fine work, but does not
> convince me that this draft is ready to be an RFC before
> the "winning" algs are known, as some have characteristics
> that are quite different from the two that were tested
> here. I maintain my position that adoption is fine but
> finishing this before NIST are done is not.

How do these characteristics affect the proposal in the draft? And I
doubt given the relevant timelines we would finish before NIST is done
in any case.

>
> Cheers,
> S.
>
> [1]
> https://csrc.nist.gov/CSRC/media/Presentations/measuring-tls-key-exchange-with-post-quantum-kem/images-media/sullivan-session-1-paper-pqc2019.pdf
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> >
> >>
> >> Ta,
> >> S.

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