Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat service: xmpp

Adrian Farrel <> Wed, 14 October 2020 19:39 UTC

Return-Path: <>
Received: from localhost (localhost []) by (Postfix) with ESMTP id F227B3A1043 for <>; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 12:39:26 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.895
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from ([]) by localhost ( []) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YwD7LKwBS6lP for <>; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 12:39:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ( []) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE64C3A1024 for <>; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 12:39:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ( []) by (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 09EJdLdN032638 for <>; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:39:21 +0100
Received: from (unknown []) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99D322048 for <>; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:39:20 +0100 (BST)
Received: from (unknown []) by (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B476F22042 for <>; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:39:20 +0100 (BST)
Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V ([]) (authenticated bits=0) by (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 09EJdJv4026560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for <>; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:39:20 +0100
Reply-To: <>
From: "Adrian Farrel" <>
To: <>
References: <>
In-Reply-To: <>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:39:19 +0100
Organization: Old Dog Consulting
Message-ID: <009701d6a261$b5e1cd50$21a567f0$>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0
Thread-Index: AQIQR0eqJxMgL/6SrFrJJRm/IAPAfakkMfkQ
Content-Language: en-gb
X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-
X-TM-AS-Result: No--18.317-10.0-31-10
X-imss-scan-details: No--18.317-10.0-31-10
X-TMASE-Result: 10--18.316900-10.000000
X-TMASE-MatchedRID: HLMPCFyIyBPxIbpQ8BhdbFhxiWPCm7jEg8C02zkI7w5PIE7Hm/IRlGK9 bQZf9PqT/f654+Kbr9Mf1AdLUyG7ncRI9S5UU3PpZdorcofH/GlZbM2hfH4YXuTf7rps46N0rZL AiMblSRFS/AcOjBTLgTWGBU0NLH/3ZbGIpMBcYQOVUcz8XpiS9I977xNrVVYjcYYxs+5bpq9wz0 jOMVzoJp0wCvOXHCu4YTBWmuuhXOWAsyTzvcMKh1CIU02oW+3V7oxoJksZ3aKw0EfjpqqTDpOcM h/FzQm0RJmBh7Wt+jYlcNpMEWQLNXbgfwMwo3fZnVTWWiNp+v8FcnqPYTPUh7C4oAwPxab1Z46U 9co1r+qmYrsHitNZoguxttHI0O0j5rARkHdbWIXN+qWlu2ZxaK15LjjfKZ5REHbR9wS1xYyO57e 7SDv3mLyIK96C/CPiGIoqBH3+JtyvOBs7CdwR5a73FVUimLHP8wxV8JR3NqiM3HYV8MG5nZTrbO 9zUOWjhHa+qza/Fa+DHEtwREc5S/3OUDZboT0w4FUAJhNPCVr5bVQl8A2YjlY9yet6QEd8YBRw2 YrpcPWBmbNrxu6Hf8zyMdM2wIwjrDjX/OYFODSyaXLtlwnZHJB1WlHbrcyxcabN9n2aNkEjaUTZ vj1Bi3SKyq5RtAY08UGXZQs6hzeuq6A5tHFPXptqY+a8nZ92+PgcXG6KFc4BrqGufylAMFYeMFM U8oBGWlKxQOtXhv4EC3fHgelkpo+Xyy5YdK5UZIiwfaqCcB99LQinZ4QefBrZLyuS+0VxsOzOnc rmCoP3FLeZXNZS4LU+KYi1qWO6ftwZ3X11IV0=
X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0
Archived-At: <>
Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat service: xmpp
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion <>
List-Unsubscribe: <>, <>
List-Archive: <>
List-Post: <>
List-Help: <>
List-Subscribe: <>, <>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 19:39:34 -0000

Nice clean web interface and account created OK (now I have 4 xmpp accounts 😉 on different servers, but Google is getting more and more grumpy about supporting jabber)
Linking to my installed client (pidgin) was a bit crumbly - the web page found pidgin and opened it, but couldn't install the account.
But it worked fine manually.

One question: will the meeting rooms still be or are they moving to (to be replaced by

Thanks for the work.

-----Original Message-----
From: IETF-Announce <> On Behalf Of Robert Sparks
Sent: 14 October 2020 18:45
Subject: Trial chat service: xmpp

In addition to the trial instances of the matrix and zulip chat services,
we have deployed a trial instance of an xmpp service that allows local 
to be registered, allows guest account access, and provides a web client.

These services are available at

As noted earlier, we are deploying these services to gain operational
experience and get community feedback about how well they meet the need for
IETF-related chat.

We have clear evidence from the IETF 107 post-meeting survey
( that many
IETF participants find jabber a significant problem.  This is partly due to
difficulties in finding a free jabber service and partly due to client 
There are two paths to try to resolve these problems, one is to improve the
IETF jabber service and the other is to switch to an alternative groupchat
solution. This addition explores the the first path.

This install has very little local configuration or customization.  As 
with the
other trials, over the next few weeks, we will be exploring 
reconfiguring the
service to use datatracker credentials for sign-in.  Bridging between the
systems is already being explored. Please remember that one consequence of
these explorations is that there will likely be times, outside of meetings,
when accounts will be disrupted or even removed and will have to be 

We would like feedback on how well any of these services meet chat needs 
meetings, both the full online IETF 109 meeting, interims, adhocs, and 

Around December, we will assess our experiences and the feedback received to
inform which chat services we provide in the future and how we will operate
them. In January, these trial instances will be taken down. We do not 
intend to
preserve or migrate any account configuration or chat history from the trial
instances as we move forward.

The chat services are intended to be explorational and informal. However,
please treat them as contexts where contribution rules apply (See

Please send feedback on the services to

There are several community members who have put in significant effort
helping us to set up these trial instances. Please join me in thanking
Tim April, Matthew Hodgson, and Matthew Wild for their assistance.

Robert Sparks - Tools team project manager

IETF-Announce mailing list