[Tools-discuss] Reminder (Re: [Manycouches] Proposal to discontinue live mp3 audio streams at IETF meetings)

Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Wed, 14 October 2020 15:24 UTC

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Subject: [Tools-discuss] Reminder (Re: [Manycouches] Proposal to discontinue live mp3 audio streams at IETF meetings)
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(With apologies for the intentional crosspost)

If you have more to say, please do so by 16 Oct.

My read of the feedback so far is that the evidence we had for low usage 
was probably misleading, and there is still a demand for a live audio 
stream if it were presented in a more useful form. I anticipate we will 
do the retooling to provide these as one named stream per session going 
forward. If anyone thinks that is not what we should be doing, please 
say so.


> We propose to discontinue producing live mp3 audio streams for IETF 
> meetings,
> starting with IETF 109 and we want to hear from the community before 
> we do.
> At many past meetings we have produced live mp3 streams for each 
> session. These
> steams have been associated with physical meeting rooms, and appeared 
> before
> and during the session as a link on the agenda page to a URL like
> 'http://mp3.conf.meetecho.com/ietf/ietf<some_number_associated_with_the_room>.m3u'. 
> For the last several meetings, these have only been available as a 
> live stream.
> Recordings of that stream have not been made available after the 
> meeting. The
> full video recording provided by Meetecho has served as the way to 
> listen to
> (or watch) any given session after the fact.
> Further, for the last several meetings, the live streams have seen 
> very light
> use, on the order of 10 uses for IETF 108.
> Now that we are holding more meetings online, we have a requirement to 
> allow
> meetings to run outside their scheduled times. Allowing the live 
> streams to run
> outside their scheduled times will require changing how they are 
> represented,
> to no longer be associated with "rooms" or "tracks". The code refactor 
> at both
> the datatracker and at meetecho to support would not be a huge effort, 
> but it
> also would not be tiny. Instead, we feel that removing this complexity,
> recognizing that the regular meetecho connection and recordings 
> satisfy the
> need, is the better use of our resources. That holds true even for future
> in-person meetings.
> There are several points that have been considered while arriving at this
> proposal:
> * Chairs use the recordings to fill in minutes.
>     For the last several meetings, the chairs have been using the 
> Meetecho
>     recordings for this purpose. Recordings of the live mp3 streams 
> haven't
>     been available.
> * Some participants (especially ADs) want to listen to more than one 
> meeting at
>   a time.
>     Meetecho allows joining multiple sessions.
> * Some participants may not have the bandwidth or a new enough 
> computer to run
>   meetecho.
>     The use of the mp3 streams has been very low at the last several 
> meetings.
>     This population isn't using the mp3 streams to address the posited
>     limitations.  If this is a     concern that some people think they 
> will
>     experience then we can look at asking Meetecho to allow sending only
>     audio (muting all video).
> * This removes a mechanism that allowed people to listen to a session in
>   real-time without paying a registration fee.
>    There will be ongoing discussion and tuning of the meeting 
> registration
>    structure. In the meantime, the fee waiver program is available and 
> being
>    improved.
> Please send comments by 16 Oct 2020 either to tools-discuss@ietf.org or
> directly to rjsparks@nostrum.com.
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