Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to discontinue live mp3 audio streams at IETF meetings
Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Mon, 05 October 2020 06:34 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to discontinue live mp3 audio streams at IETF meetings
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Le 01/10/2020 à 21:42, Brian E Carpenter a écrit : >> * This removes a mechanism that allowed people to listen to a >> session in real-time without paying a registration fee. >> >> There will be ongoing discussion and tuning of the meeting >> registration structure. In the meantime, the fee waiver program is >> available and being improved. > > I don't think that's a tools-discuss decision alone. It's been a > significant point of principle discussed (e.g.) in SHMOO, hence the > extra CC. > > It seems to me that the principle of the fee waiver and when it's > ethical to use it is still not clear, and we don't know whether it > is financially viable in the medium to long term. Until that's > settled, I'm a bit uneasy about dropping the mp3 streams, precisely > because they do not need pre-registration. > > (If meetecho had a "read only" or observer mode without > pre-registration, this problem would go away instantly.) It would be advantageous to continue the streaming of audio, for a registration-less observer read-only kind of participation. Maybe a thing to improve is the format of the data. A better performing format than mp3, why not an IETF recent technology (ogg?), with a better support from free software tools that are widely available, could be good. Alex > > Regards Brian > > Regards Brian Carpenter > > On 02-Oct-20 03:31, Robert Sparks wrote: >> We propose to discontinue producing live mp3 audio streams for >> IETF meetings, starting with IETF 109 and we want to hear from the >> community before we do. >> >> At many past meetings we have produced live mp3 streams for each >> session. These steams have been associated with physical meeting >> rooms, and appeared before and during the session as a link on the >> agenda page to a URL like >> 'http://mp3.conf.meetecho.com/ietf/ietf<some_number_associated_with_the_room>.m3u'. >> >> >> >> For the last several meetings, these have only been available as a live >> stream. Recordings of that stream have not been made available >> after the meeting. The full video recording provided by Meetecho >> has served as the way to listen to (or watch) any given session >> after the fact. >> >> Further, for the last several meetings, the live streams have seen >> very light use, on the order of 10 uses for IETF 108. >> >> Now that we are holding more meetings online, we have a requirement >> to allow meetings to run outside their scheduled times. Allowing >> the live streams to run outside their scheduled times will require >> changing how they are represented, to no longer be associated with >> "rooms" or "tracks". The code refactor at both the datatracker and >> at meetecho to support would not be a huge effort, but it also >> would not be tiny. Instead, we feel that removing this complexity, >> recognizing that the regular meetecho connection and recordings >> satisfy the need, is the better use of our resources. That holds >> true even for future in-person meetings. >> >> There are several points that have been considered while arriving >> at this proposal: >> >> * Chairs use the recordings to fill in minutes. >> >> For the last several meetings, the chairs have been using the >> Meetecho recordings for this purpose. Recordings of the live mp3 >> streams haven't been available. >> >> * Some participants (especially ADs) want to listen to more than >> one meeting at a time. >> >> Meetecho allows joining multiple sessions. >> >> * Some participants may not have the bandwidth or a new enough >> computer to run meetecho. >> >> The use of the mp3 streams has been very low at the last several >> meetings. This population isn't using the mp3 streams to address >> the posited limitations. If this is a concern that some people >> think they will experience then we can look at asking Meetecho to >> allow sending only audio (muting all video). >> >> * This removes a mechanism that allowed people to listen to a >> session in real-time without paying a registration fee. >> >> There will be ongoing discussion and tuning of the meeting >> registration structure. In the meantime, the fee waiver program is >> available and being improved. >> >> Please send comments by 16 Oct 2020 either to >> tools-discuss@ietf.org or directly to rjsparks@nostrum.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce >> mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce >> > > _______________________________________________ Manycouches mailing > list Manycouches@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manycouches >
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Maisonneuve, Julien (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Adam Roach
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Tom Pusateri
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Tom Pusateri
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… John C Klensin
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposal to discontinue live … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Watson Ladd
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Tom Pusateri
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Maisonneuve, Julien (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Tom Pusateri
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Maisonneuve, Julien (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Robert Sparks
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Tom Pusateri
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [Manycouches] Proposal to dis… Robert Sparks
- [Tools-discuss] Reminder (Re: [Manycouches] Propo… Robert Sparks
- [Tools-discuss] Closure (was Re: Reminder (Re: [M… Robert Sparks