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[Tools-discuss] Fwd: [rt5.ietf.org #6435] Unable to get mail back from alias expansion - expand-mediaman-chairs

Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Thu, 19 May 2022 07:51 UTC

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Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: [rt5.ietf.org #6435] Unable to get mail back from alias expansion - expand-mediaman-chairs
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Who's in charge of the interaction between mailer and -chairs aliases?



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	[rt5.ietf.org #6435] Unable to get mail back from alias 
expansion - expand-mediaman-chairs
Date: 	Wed, 18 May 2022 19:56:44 -0400
From: 	Glen Barney via RT <support@ietf.org>
Reply-To: 	support@ietf.org
To: 	harald@alvestrand.no



Hi Harald -

You are correct in every respect.  You can, if you wish, make that 
change to your SPF settings, but that will of course only solve it for 
messages you send.

The aliases are generated by the Datatracker and the processing methods 
are managed by it as well.   As such, this is not something that I, as 
the operator, can fix, unfortunately.  If I may, I'd recommend engaging 
with the Tools Team on the tools-discuss list about this.  That will at 
least let them know that you're being impacted.  I would guess that as 
more people report these problems to them, they will be able to 
prioritize the design of a solution for that problem.

I'm very sorry that I can't do more here!

Glen
--
Glen Barney
IT Director
AMS (IETF Secretariat)


On Wed May 18 04:55:21 2022, harald@alvestrand.no wrote:
> It seems that the alias "expand-mediaman-chairs" is expanded at SMTP
> level rather than at RFC 822 level, meaning that it gets a problem
> with SPF.
> 
> Do I need to tell my SPF config that 50.223.129.194 is authorized to
> send in my name, or can this be changed to a SPF-friendly method?
> 
> Harald
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 22:30:09 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON@ietfa.amsl.com>
> To: harald@alvestrand.no
> 
> This is the mail system at host ietfa.amsl.com.
> 
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
> 
> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
> 
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the attached returned message.
> 
> The mail system
> 
> <harald@alvestrand.no> (expanded from
>       <expand-mediaman-chairs@virtual.ietf.org>): host
>        smtp.alvestrand.no[65.21.189.24] said: 550 5.7.23
> <harald@alvestrand.no>:
>       Recipient address rejected: Message rejected due to: SPF fail -
> not
>       authorized. Please see
> 
> http://www.openspf.net/Why?s=mfrom;id=harald@alvestrand.no;ip=50.223.129.194;r=<UNKNOWN>
>       (in reply to RCPT TO command)

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