RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG
Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu> Thu, 02 May 2002 11:59 UTC
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From: Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu>
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Subject: RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG
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I disagree if others think that Doug has a point that is important enough to delay this document even longer please speak up - if there is not support it is time to move on - if there is support (and more than one or two people) then we will delay yet again Scott --- From tsvwg-admin@ietf.org Thu May 2 04:13:18 2002 From: john.loughney@nokia.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:06:13 +0300 Thread-Topic: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Thread-Index: AcHxpjxIGhC9zygQSfGHzxp8oSdOagACb13Q To: <dotis@sanlight.net>, <tsvwg@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2002 08:06:14.0189 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A8C35D0:01C1F1B0] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by optimus.ietf.org id EAA18023 Sender: tsvwg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: tsvwg-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Transport Area Working Group <tsvwg.ietf.org> X-BeenThere: tsvwg@ietf.org Hi Scott & Doug, I think that we need to get this over & done with it. If this is as important as Doug thinks it is (so I am willing to say it may be), then lets just put it to a working group 'vote' - have both propsosed texts & have the WG decide which is appropriate. best regards, john > While I agree with this sentiment, the introduction of a hardware > implementation requirement is new text in conflict with previously raised > concerns. It appears Jonathan does not agree there is a need to allow > implementations where the packet is not modified during the checking > process. This is a real problem. This is true for hardware where an > unmodified packet allows far greater software compatibility and should be > the recommended approach. I was happy with the draft prior to these last > minute changes that appeared without review. I was not the one twiddling. > This is a wrong approach, if to standardize the hardware interface as is the > intent of this language. > > Presenting an unmodified packet would allow an Alder scheme to be introduced > in software, as example, without any changes to existing code. The same is > equally true for a software CRC algorithm. The scheme, as defined now, will > require specialized code to handle such a situation. The current > recommendation is clumsy and wrong. More generalized language would be > acceptable such as- For hardware checking schemes, software MUST be able to > confirm the integrity of the packet and not rely exclusively on a status > bit. An unmodified packet accomplishes this goal. This added language has > compounded an inappropriate algorithm interpretation. _______________________________________________ tsvwg mailing list tsvwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg _______________________________________________ tsvwg mailing list tsvwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Douglas Otis
- [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Scott Bradner
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Scott Bradner
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Douglas Otis
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Douglas Otis
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG john.loughney
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Brian F. G. Bidulock
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Scott Bradner
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG john.loughney
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Tuexen Michael
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Michael A. Ramalho
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Brian F. G. Bidulock
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Tuexen Michael
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Douglas Otis
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Randall Stewart
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Douglas Otis
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG THALER,PAT (A-Roseville,ex1)
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Scott Bradner
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Michael A. Ramalho
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Scott Bradner
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Lloyd Wood
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Randall Stewart
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG pat_thaler
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Qiaobing Xie
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG THALER,PAT (A-Roseville,ex1)
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG pat_thaler
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Randall Stewart
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Douglas Otis
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Qiaobing Xie
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Douglas Otis
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Jonathan Stone
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Michael Tuexen
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Douglas Otis
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Brian F. G. Bidulock
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG Douglas Otis
- RE: [Tsvwg] SCTP Checksum Change to the IESG THALER,PAT (A-Roseville,ex1)