Re: [Txauth] GNAP it is

Vittorio Bertocci <vittorio.bertocci@auth0.com> Mon, 15 June 2020 19:54 UTC

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 12:54:22 -0700
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To: Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Txauth] GNAP it is
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I have no concerns, sorry for not having been clear on that. I was just
sharing data. Any pronunciation works for me.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:40 Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Vittorio
>
> Thanks for sharing the video and where the word is pronounced -- guh-nap
> for those that have not watched it. ( I saw the usage of "gnap" in what
> Leif shared, but did not see pronunciation )
>
> Are you concerned with the silent G pronunciation, or just sharing data?
>
> A concern voiced with guh-nap was the association with GNU work.
>
> (I'm hoping to check off this last co-chair item on my list ... )
>
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> ᐧ
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> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:25 PM <vittorio.bertocci@auth0.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps not to be taken too seriously, but here’s prior art on GNAP
>> pronunciation.
>>
>> As Leif mentioned few mails ago, “GNAP” appeared on the Smurfs comic and
>> was reprised in a cartoon episode as well.
>>
>> You’ll find few examples around 3:30
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>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEl8IBv98vg&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0GVfFeNl4M1OhHKE7FfyCqKTDJI960mU-ai8hLqMO8A_qzCS-WBJgPbpQ
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>> *From:* Txauth <txauth-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Dick Hardt
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2020 12:18 PM
>> *To:* Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com>
>> *Cc:* Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; Jared Jennings <
>> jaredljennings@gmail.com>; Amanjeev Sethi <aj@amanjeev.com>; Fabien
>> Imbault <fabien.imbault@gmail.com>; txauth@ietf.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Txauth] GNAP it is
>>
>>
>>
>> Checking in again on pronunciation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike: do you still have concerns with a silent 'G'?
>>
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>>
>> Anyone else have concerns?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd like to nip pronunciation confusion in the bud by having the
>> recommended pronunciation in the charter.
>>
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>> ᐧ
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>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 1:23 PM Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com>
>> wrote:
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>> Looks like we were caught gnapping. ;-)
>>
>> OK, that's the last of my snarky comments, let's get to work!
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On 6/7/20 2:09 PM, Dick Hardt wrote:
>> > It is if you are familiar with any of the GNU projects.
>> >
>> > https://www.gnu.org/gnu/pronunciation.en.html
>> >
>> > A quick search on the internet has the "normal" pronunciation of "gnu"
>> > to have a silent 'g'.
>> >
>> > https://www.howtopronounce.com/gnu
>> > https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/gnu
>> >
>> >
>> > ᐧ
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>> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:51 PM Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com
>> > <mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     I had assumed Guh-Nap – parallel to the pronunciation of GNU.  I
>> >     think that’s the most natural way to read it.____
>> >
>> >     __ __
>> >
>> >                                                            -- Mike____
>> >
>> >     __ __
>> >
>> >     *From:* Txauth <txauth-bounces@ietf.org
>> >     <mailto:txauth-bounces@ietf.org>> *On Behalf Of *Dick Hardt
>> >     *Sent:* Sunday, June 7, 2020 12:45 PM
>> >     *To:* Amanjeev Sethi <aj@amanjeev.com <mailto:aj@amanjeev.com>>
>> >     *Cc:* Fabien Imbault <fabien.imbault@gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:fabien.imbault@gmail.com>>; Jared Jennings
>> >     <jaredljennings@gmail.com <mailto:jaredljennings@gmail.com>>;
>> >     txauth@ietf.org <mailto:txauth@ietf.org>
>> >     *Subject:* Re: [Txauth] GNAP it is____
>> >
>> >     __ __
>> >
>> >     Anyone have objection to the recommended pronunciation being the
>> >     English word "nap", as in "gnaw"?____
>> >
>> >     __ __
>> >
>> >     If not, then we could add a pronunciation recommendation to the
>> >     Charter.____
>> >
>> >     __ __
>> >
>> >     ᐧ____
>> >
>> >     __ __
>> >
>> >     On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 8:03 AM Amanjeev Sethi <aj@amanjeev.com
>> >     <mailto:aj@amanjeev.com>> wrote:____
>> >
>> >         Vote for 'G' silent, as in 'lagnappe' ;)____
>> >
>> >         __ __
>> >
>> >         On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Jared Jennings wrote:____
>> >
>> >             I vote for G silent. For the reason it's most common to
>> >             pronounce, especially for those not familiar with open
>> >             source usages.____
>> >
>> >             __ __
>> >
>> >             On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 08:45 Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com
>> >             <mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com>> wrote:____
>> >
>> >                 The obvious pronunciation choices are:____
>> >
>> >                 __ __
>> >
>> >                 nap (silent g as in gnaw)____
>> >
>> >                 __ __
>> >
>> >                 guh-nap (as in the GNU OS
>> >                 - https://www.gnu.org/gnu/pronunciation.en..html
>> >                 <https://www.gnu.org/gnu/pronunciation.en.html>)____
>> >
>> >                 __ __
>> >
>> >                 gee-nap (as in G-man - government man
>> >                 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-man)____
>> >
>> >                 __ __
>> >
>> >                 __ __
>> >
>> >                 __ __
>> >
>> >                 ᐧ____
>> >
>> >                 __ __
>> >
>> >                 On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:34 AM Fabien Imbault
>> >                 <fabien.imbault@gmail.com
>> >                 <mailto:fabien.imbault@gmail.com>> wrote:____
>> >
>> >                     So, let's adopt a GNAP! We can even come with a
>> >                     little mascot (a bit like go gopher) as imagined
>> >                     by http://elisegravel.com/blog/adopte-un-gnap/,
>> >                     loved by little Canadians :-) ____
>> >
>> >                     __ __
>> >
>> >                     Just to be sure, how do you recommand we pronounce
>> >                     it? ____
>> >
>> >                     __ __
>> >
>> >                     Looking forward to the next steps too.. ____
>> >
>> >                     __ __
>> >
>> >                     Thxs____
>> >
>> >                     Fabien____
>> >
>> >                     --____
>> >
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>> >
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