Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet drafts
Larry Masinter <masinter@parc.xerox.com> Sat, 05 April 1997 00:24 UTC
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From: Larry Masinter <masinter@parc.xerox.com>
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Subject: Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet drafts
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I'm surprised I have to spell this out. Martin has proposed that we add to the "Draft Standard" the following wording: > URL creation mechanisms that generate the URL from a source which > is not restricted to a single character->octet encoding are > encouraged, but not required, to transition resource names toward > using UTF-8 exclusively. I will point out that of all of the implementors of all of the software that I'm aware of that contain "URL creation mechanisms", including the software products from Alis, Accent, Netscape and Microsoft -- even in the latest versions which purport to support UTF-8 in the representation of text-- I have yet to see any product that is a "URL creation mechanism" that actually does what Martin is proposing we encourage them to do ("transition resource names toward using UTF-8 exclusively"). Not only aren't they transitioning toward using UTF-8 exclusively, I've yet to see one that actually uses UTF-8 in resource names at all. When I asked for instances of some actual practice, I got sent two examples of URLs on Martin's own site in which the "URL creation mechanism" was careful hand crafting of the URLs themselves. Furthermore, none of the implementors of the "URL creation mechanisms" have stepped forward to endorse this proposal. The only voices for it are those who are not actually producing "URL creation mechanisms". Even the most ferverent believer in UTF-8 would not be so foolish as to create a product that 'transitioned' toward 'using UTF-8 exclusively'. Certainly, 99.99% of the installed "URL creation mechanisms that generate a URL from a source that is restricted to a single character->octet encoding" do *NOT* "use UTF-8 exclusively". It would be irresponsible and ridiculous to insert a recommendation into a Draft Standard of a practice that not only did not occur in the Proposed Standard but also is not the result of implementation experience of the community. Regards, Larry -- http://www.parc.xerox.com/masinter
- revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet dra… Larry Masinter
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Chris Newman
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Edward Cherlin
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Larry Masinter
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Larry Masinter
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Chris Newman
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Larry Masinter
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Jonathan Rosenne
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Edward Cherlin
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Larry Masinter
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Larry Masinter
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: revised "generic syntax" and "data:" internet… Dan Oscarsson
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Roy T. Fielding
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Edward Cherlin
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Harald.T.Alvestrand
- Re: revised "generic syntax" internet draft Martin J. Duerst