Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD
Tore Anderson <tore@fud.no> Fri, 30 October 2015 08:11 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD
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Hi Gert, * Gert Doering <gert@space.net> > I do not have RFCs to counter that, but my interpretation is a bit > different. I see that section of 4861 as traditionally applied to > *hosts*, while IA_PD traditionally is a *router* function, so out of > scope for the "host part" of 4861. Section 4.2 of RFC 4861 simply describes the RA message format, it's not in a "host part" of the RFC as far as I can tell. Keep in mind that RAs are typically multicast to all IPv6 nodes, so the originating router does not know whether it is a host or a router (or both, or none) that will be receiving the RA. Thus, when determining whether or not to set the M/O flags, the [operator configuring the] RA originating router will have to ask himself the following question: «Is there information available through DHCPv6 to nodes on this link?» If the answer to that question is «yes», the M or O flag should be set. If the answer is «no», they should be both unset. > Now this gets all muddled together when you have a router that also > wants an address for itself (= acting as a host for that purpose) or > a host that wants a prefix (= serving as a router for that prefix). I'll note that this discussion started with a comment on draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host. This draft talks about hosts, not routers. It even says so right there in the file name and the title. Then you have RFC 7084 which to the best of my knowledge is describes the only use case for DHCPv6-PD which has seen significant deployment to date. Its WPD-4 requirement clearly indicates that the availability of DHCPv6-PD is something that should be communicated through the M/O options. The WPD-4 requirement essentially states that if you operate a network that provides IA_PD and sets M=O=0, it's unspecified ("out of scope") whether or not any connecting devices conforming to RFC 7084 end up with a delegated prefix or not. Tore
- [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… otroan
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Tore Anderson
- [v6ops] Adding links [was: draft-jjmb...] otroan
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering (was: Fwd: I-… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering (was: Fwd: I-… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering (was: Fwd: I-… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering (was: Fwd: I-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering (was: Fwd: I-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering (was: Fwd: I-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… otroan
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering - addressing … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering - addressing … Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering - addressing … Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… otroan
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- [v6ops] M/O flags and PD otroan
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… otroan
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD STARK, BARBARA H