Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD
Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Fri, 30 October 2015 09:06 UTC
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From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD
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Hi, On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 09:55:38AM +0100, Tore Anderson wrote: > * Gert Doering <gert@space.net> > > > Yes, but that is the point - "typical routers" do not need to > > *listen* to RAs, because that's not required for their job. They > > will speak a routing protocol, and not default-route, etc. > > Who is listening for RAs or not seems to me to be besides the point. It > boils down to this: If you are about to originate an RA to a link, and > know that there is information available in DHCPv6 on said link, you > should set set the M or O flag. Otherwise you're supplying false > information by indicating that there is no information available in > DHCPv6. No, the point I was trying to made is: conceptually, DHCPv6 PD is happening outside RA. RA is "information to hosts", PD is "done by routers". But I already agreed that this is not written down anywhere, but my interpretation on how this can all make sense. [..] > > As I said, boundaries between "hosts" and "router" are less than clear > > today - but this is my interpretation on how these have come into place. > > Indeed. Thus I believe claims like «hosts don't request prefixes» or > «routers don't process RAs» can't be considered true (unless a node can > be both simultaneously). We had this discussion in the context of the CPE spec - a CPE is a router (obviously), but for acquiring its management IPv6 address and for being talked to on the management address, it's very obviously a host as well. So of course a node can be both. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
- [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… otroan
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Tore Anderson
- [v6ops] Adding links [was: draft-jjmb...] otroan
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering (was: Fwd: I-… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering (was: Fwd: I-… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering (was: Fwd: I-… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering (was: Fwd: I-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering (was: Fwd: I-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering (was: Fwd: I-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… otroan
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering - addressing … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering - addressing … Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] how /63 helps tethering - addressing … Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… otroan
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- [v6ops] M/O flags and PD otroan
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… otroan
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-uni… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-jjmb-v6ops-unique-i… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] M/O flags and PD STARK, BARBARA H