Re: [v6ops] [dhcwg] IPv6-Only Preferred DHCPv4 option

<mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> Wed, 04 December 2019 17:48 UTC

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Hi Gabor,

Please see inline.

Cheers,
Med

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Objet : Re: [v6ops] [dhcwg] IPv6-Only Preferred DHCPv4 option

Hi Med,

12/4/2019 2:56 PM keltezéssel, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com<mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> írta:

A host that discovers the presence of NAT64 (because a pref64 was discovered) can safely release any assigned IPv4 address.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but I do not agree.

Med: My assumption is what in the draft: the mode is explicitly set by a user.

   A DHCP client SHOULD allow a device administrator to configure
   IPv6-only preferred mode either for a specific interface (to indicate
   that the device is IPv6-only capable if connected to a NAT64 network
   via that interface) or for all interfaces.

   Clients not capable of operating in an IPv6-only NAT64 environment
   MUST NOT include the IPv6-only Preferred option in the Parameter
   Request List of any DHCP packets and MUST ignore that option in
   packets received from DHCP servers.


Unfortunately not all applications are compatible with NAT64.

Med: Sure. All the issues discussed in RFC6269 apply. Some of them can be solved:

* bittorrent: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-pcp-bittorrent-00
* SIP: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-pcp-nat64-experiments-00

Please see our results in:

S. Répás, T. Hajas and G. Lencse, "Application Compatibility of the NAT64 IPv6 Transition Technology", Proceedings of the 37th International Conference on Telecommunications and Signal Processing (TSP 2014), (Berlin, Germany, 2014. July, 1-3.) Brno University of Technology, pp. 49-55. DOI: 10.1109/TSP.2015.7296383
Full text is available from: http://www.hit.bme.hu/~lencse/publications/TSP-2014-AC.pdf

Med: Thanks for the pointer. These issues are not specific to NAT64; many of them can be solved (see the pointers above, for example).

Best regards,

Gábor