Re: [v6ops] Fwd: draft-palet-v6ops-nat64-deployment-02 comments

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Fwd: draft-palet-v6ops-nat64-deployment-02 comments
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I find this a useful draft, this problematic outcome that the draft seeks to avoid will exist.
The draft is worthy of consideration.

From: v6ops [mailto:v6ops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ca By
Sent: 03 July 2018 20:37
To: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Fwd: draft-palet-v6ops-nat64-deployment-02 comments



On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 10:11 AM Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:
A general note. I have wondered aloud about interest in several new drafts, and managed to miss Cameron's:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-byrne-v6ops-dnssecaaaa
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-v6ops-dnssecaaaa
  "DNSSEC Resource Record Should Include AAAA", Cameron Byrne, 2018-07-01,

If you want it on the agenda in two weeks, now would be the time to say so.

No, i will not be present.

But  i am interested in folks sending feedback on if this is useful.  The goal of this I-D is to harmonize dns64 and dnssec deployment with an ideal solution, as opposed to falling into a worst case where folks pick one or the other.



> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: Ca By <cb.list6@gmail.com<mailto:cb.list6@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-palet-v6ops-nat64-deployment-02 comments
> Date: July 2, 2018 at 2:55:09 PM PDT
> To: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>>
> Cc: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es<mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel..es>>, "v6ops@ietf.org<mailto:v6ops@ietf.org> list" <v6ops@ietf.org<mailto:v6ops@ietf.org>>
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> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 1:41 PM Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> > On Jul 2, 2018, at 1:17 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel..es<mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es>> wrote:
> >
> > DNSSEC is *only* broken if the dual-stack host is doing DNSSEC validation over the synthetized AAAA.
>
> So you're worried about DNSSEC validation working through NAT64 in the case that the host is using the DNS service in the IPv4 network through the NAT64 device.
>
> That doesn't have anything to do with DNS64; an a 464XLAT network, if we believe RFC 6877, the issue you raise happens in the absence of DNS64.
>
> A good postion for the IETF to take is that one should only produce a signed A if they can also produce a signed AAAA, which is not a tall order these says
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> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-v6ops-dnssecaaaa-00
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