Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-elkins-6man-ipv6-pdm-dest-option-04.txt

Nalini Elkins <nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com> Sun, 27 October 2013 14:59 UTC

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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 07:59:10 -0700
From: Nalini Elkins <nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-elkins-6man-ipv6-pdm-dest-option-04.txt
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> >Your point 4 seems to indicate that all nodes in a desired time synchronization domain need to be synched to the same master clock.  This has not been my experience.  As long as the required Stratum level is realized, for the level >>of accuracy required by the situation or application, the proper level of time synchronization is achieved.  Example would be that if one node in the NTP domain is referencing a GPS Stratum 0 and another node is referencing a >>separate Stratum 0 source, the two nodes should be Stratum 1 and within that level of accuracy.  

>stratum is not an indication of either precision or accuracy it’s an inidication of a position within the NTP heirachary.


Guys, you know, I wonder if this discussion of time synchronization is distracting us from the point of our proposal.   

What we are advocating for is a capability for embedded diagnostics and performance for all upper layer protocols that is relatively simple to implement.   I am thinking more and more that our PDM 2 proposal which does not require time synchronization is the way to go.   Let me say that this is my opinion only!   Others on our team believe that they can indeed do time synch within their data centers and want the enhanced capabilities of PDM 1 which requires time synch.

BTW, we have discussed the proposals for PDMs already with one end host OS vendor who, on initial look, believes it will be easy to implement and should be quite useful.   We are setting up more discussions with their engineering team to see if they can tell us where the pit falls in our thinking might be.   I hope I can get them to comment publicly.   But, that will take a while.

Also, one of my guys has already done a prototype implementation of PDM 1 going from a simple client to server which I can show all who are interested in Vancouver.   
 

Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
Inside Products, Inc.
(831) 659-8360
www.insidethestack.com



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