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Re: [v6ops] IPv6 link-local and URLs @ IETF119

Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> Tue, 19 March 2024 07:56 UTC

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From: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 17:55:52 +1000
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To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Cc: George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>, "v6ops@ietf.org WG" <v6ops@ietf.org>, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] IPv6 link-local and URLs @ IETF119
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On Tue, 19 Mar 2024, 17:30 Brian E Carpenter, <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >> There's a simple solution to this problem: if the user types in a
> link-local address the browser should open the connection on the default
> network interface,
>
> There is no such thing in some operating systems, and again, this is not
> the behaviour required by the use cases in the document that passed WGLC
> more than a year ago and which is not on this week's agenda either.
>

How can there be no such thing? If an app connects to a global address, the
stack must pick an interface. So such a concept must exist.

As for the documents... I don't know what the current state is, but it
sounds like there's a very real possibility that those will never go
anywhere. If so, we might want to explore other options to satisfy at least
some of the use cases.

>

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