Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation by large organizations

[Enno Rey <[e-mail]>]

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 08:40:37PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> There is a reason why there are PA and PI blocks... or you know,
> >>> pay for transiting the aggregate...
> > 
> > well ... yes. not sure to what extent $RIRs act accordingly (have
> > been involved in requesting resources from all five of them in the
> > past and can tell you 1st hand that there's quite some encouraging
> > $LARGE_ENTERPRISES to bec ome LIRs, in one way or the other).
> 
> As you are the consultant, your job to get them there right?
> 
> Nothing the IETF can do about that part.

Iljitsch initially submitted this to BCOP... which could be a place to discuss it.
that said, you're fully right, IETF has never cared for "enterprise needs" (not implying they should, just noting), and hence - imho - done quite some harm to global IPv6 deployment. but that's another topic.



> 
> > there
> > must be a reason, why - as far as I can tell - _pretty much all_
> > large German companies have joined the elitist LIR club in the last
> > two years, preparing their IPv6 depl oyment.
> 
> Because they all wanted a /32 PA for near zero paperwork.

or because RIRs encouraged them to do so, in several ways?
potential reasoning I leave up to the imagination of the reader...


> 
> > RIRs are happily playing
> > that game which is exactly why debate & consensus are needed (and
> > probably Iljitsch brought this to BCOP).
> > 
> > that said, $FOLK would pay for it.
> 
> The numbers in your slides show that those companies have more than
> enough "resources" to be able to set up a proper network or let some
> transit backhaul the traffic.

thanks for the generous advice what a "proper network" is. much appreciated.


> 
> No need to de-aggregate and burden the rest of the world with that though.
> 
> I would blame the consultant for hinting at the wrong solution for their
> enterprise...

given all those organizations do the same silly stuff, seems they are all consulted to by a unified group of consultants not possessing your enormous amount of wisdom and of large scale enterprise network experience.
so what's your practical advice to solve the apparent dilemma Iljitsch pointed out and thereby substantial contribution to the debate? thanks in advance &

have a good one

Enno


 




> 
> Greets,
>  Jeroen

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