Re: [VCARDDAV] Rename SEX to GENDER

Sarah Dopp <sarah@sarahdopp.com> Tue, 02 November 2010 19:48 UTC

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Glad to see this conversation has resurfaced.

> The problem is we have no definition for gender. For sex it's easy: we
> point to the ISO standard. For gender, it's complicated (see Sarah's
post).

Please also see the part of my post regarding the complexity of Sex:

With Sex as a category, you need to consider people with intersex conditions
> [3], as well as those who have undergone Sexual Reassignment Surgery [4] and
> Hormone Replacement Therapy [5].  For many of these people, to choose Male
> or Female on a form is to lie about half of their bodies.
>
> The bottom line: For someone who claims a gender or sex less clear-cut than
> Male or Female, "not known" is offensively inaccurate, and "not applicable"
> is offensively dismissive.
>

I support Tantek's two-component proposal:

Sex component: The value M stands for "male", F stands for "female", O
stands for "other", N stands for "none or not applicable".

Gender identity component: a single text value.
https://wiki.mozilla.org/VCard4#section_6.2.10._SEX

~Sarah



On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Simon Perreault <
simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> wrote:

> On 2010-11-02 14:06, Mike Douglass wrote:
> > The question - which I'm not sure anybody has addressed is - what's the
> > intent of the property?
> >
> > If it's to define the individuals actual sex then SEX.
> >
> > If it's for them to express their gender then GENDER
>
> Currently, it's the former. This is made clear by referring to the ISO
> standard:
>
>   Purpose:  To specify the sex of the object the vCard represents, as
>      defined in [ISO.5218.2004].
>
> > Or maybe we can just allow both and point people at the definitions...
>
> The problem is we have no definition for gender. For sex it's easy: we
> point to the ISO standard. For gender, it's complicated (see Sarah's post).
>
> Simon
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