Re: [VCARDDAV] Rename SEX to GENDER
Sarah Dopp <sarah@sarahdopp.com> Tue, 02 November 2010 19:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: [VCARDDAV] Rename SEX to GENDER
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Glad to see this conversation has resurfaced. > The problem is we have no definition for gender. For sex it's easy: we > point to the ISO standard. For gender, it's complicated (see Sarah's post). Please also see the part of my post regarding the complexity of Sex: With Sex as a category, you need to consider people with intersex conditions > [3], as well as those who have undergone Sexual Reassignment Surgery [4] and > Hormone Replacement Therapy [5]. For many of these people, to choose Male > or Female on a form is to lie about half of their bodies. > > The bottom line: For someone who claims a gender or sex less clear-cut than > Male or Female, "not known" is offensively inaccurate, and "not applicable" > is offensively dismissive. > I support Tantek's two-component proposal: Sex component: The value M stands for "male", F stands for "female", O stands for "other", N stands for "none or not applicable". Gender identity component: a single text value. https://wiki.mozilla.org/VCard4#section_6.2.10._SEX ~Sarah On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Simon Perreault < simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> wrote: > On 2010-11-02 14:06, Mike Douglass wrote: > > The question - which I'm not sure anybody has addressed is - what's the > > intent of the property? > > > > If it's to define the individuals actual sex then SEX. > > > > If it's for them to express their gender then GENDER > > Currently, it's the former. This is made clear by referring to the ISO > standard: > > Purpose: To specify the sex of the object the vCard represents, as > defined in [ISO.5218.2004]. > > > Or maybe we can just allow both and point people at the definitions... > > The problem is we have no definition for gender. For sex it's easy: we > point to the ISO standard. For gender, it's complicated (see Sarah's post). > > Simon > -- > NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca > STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca > vCard 4.0 --> http://www.vcarddav.org > _______________________________________________ > VCARDDAV mailing list > VCARDDAV@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vcarddav > -- Sarah Dopp site: http://sarahdopp.com / blog: http://doppjuice.com / tweet: http://twitter.com/sarahdopp art: http://genderfork.com / show: http://queeropenmic.com / love: http://cultureconductor.com
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