Re: [VoT] Vectors of Trust I-D feedback

Rainer,

Thanks for this input, this is helpful. When Leif and I picked the term 
"Vectors of Trust" we knew that each part of that phrase was problematic 
in some fashion, but we've yet to hear something that's more 
serviceable. This is the reasoning behind the explanatory section at the 
beginning, actually. Can you suggest some text for a better way to 
situate the terms?

  -- Justin

On 7/30/2015 7:20 AM, Rainer Hoerbe wrote:
> The term vector seems to stick since Bob Morgan’s visualization some 
> years ago despite some resistance. However its connotation in „2.2 
> Component Architecture“ is misleading, because all the language about 
> „mathematical construct“, „coordinate system“ and „must be orthogonal“ 
> is not properly put into context by "need for simplicity“ and 
> "somewhat elided model“.
>
> I suggest to use stronger wording to make it clear to the newcomer 
> that this kind of taxonomy is by its nature an oversimplification. 
> Fitting a square peg into a round hole is the only option to reduce 
> the complexity of trust frameworks. There should be an emphasis that 
> the number of vectors, their orthogonality and composition will never 
> be a clean and undisputed derivation from real trust models, but an 
> extension and improvement from current practices like 800-63. VoT is 
> taking facts that are measurable out of the trust framework leaving 
> the amorphous rest to TLDR risk assessments.
>
> - Rainer
>
>> Am 30.07.2015 um 06:28 schrieb Joanne Knight 
>> <Joanne.Knight@dia.govt.nz <mailto:Joanne.Knight@dia.govt.nz>>:
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> Due to workloads it has taken me a while to catch-up and I am sorry I 
>> was unable to make the Bar BoF.
>>
>> I have attached a paper with my thoughts on the drafty draft as well 
>> as where my own framework has evolved to so far. I have recently 
>> latched on to a resource to aid me in progressing the 
>> Identity-related risk assessment so let me know if anyone is 
>> interested in the out-comes as not directly VoT related.
>>
>> Thoughts only, take them at your whim.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Joanne
>>
>> *From:*Justin Richer [mailto:jricher@MIT.EDU]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 27 June 2015 3:15 p.m.
>> *To:* vot@ietf.org <mailto:vot@ietf.org>
>> *Subject:* [VoT] Vectors of Trust I-D
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I have taken the initial strawman proposal along with a substantial 
>> number of edits and inputs from several folks and have created an 
>> initial I-D of the document:
>>
>> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-richer-vectors-of-trust-00
>>
>> It’s still a very drafty draft, but hopefully it’s starting to make 
>> this a concrete thing. Please read it over and discuss it here on the 
>> list.
>>
>> I would like to propose a bar-BoF in Prague for VoT for anyone who 
>> would like to discuss this. If you’re interested (and will be there 
>> in person), let me know!
>>
>>  — Justin
>>
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