Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFinger Properties
Will Norris <will@willnorris.com> Thu, 10 October 2013 18:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFinger Properties
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On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > On 10 October 2013 19:48, Will Norris <will@willnorris.com> wrote: > >> There irony here is that WebFinger itself was created to solve the >> problem of resolving an otherwise unresolvable URI (originally mailto and >> later acct URIs). URNs have the same problem, and since they have no >> well-defined host, you can't even use WebFinger to resolve them. I know >> there have been some efforts to define URN resolution (rfc2483 et al), but >> as far as I know none are very well adopted. Using HTTP URIs makes the >> most sense to me. >> >> But do we really need yet another registry of properties, the vast >> majority of which I'm sure have been defined in a dozen other places? Is >> there a reason why reusing one of these existing namespaces would not work? >> (and if something WebFinger specific really is desirable, then we can >> continue using webfinger.net, which has already been used for >> http://webfinger.net/rel/avatar/ and >> http://webfinger.net/rel/profile-page/. That was kind of the idea of >> running it as a static site out of the GitHub "webfinger" org; it's very >> easy to give others access to everything. That's what we've done with >> activitystrea.ms for several years now) >> > > +1 > > Yes, that's nice but Id suggest it's better to put all the terms in one > single file to reduce multiple HTTP GETs and maintenance. > multiple GETs by whom? I suspect that these will typically resolve to human readable descriptions of the properties... I don't imagine they'd be automatically fetched by anything/anyone. We could of course embed some machine readable version of the property in the pages, but even then I'm not exactly sure what the use-case would be. That said, I don't actually have strong feelings on this. > > Also I forgot to mention VCard which also covers a lot of terms needed. > yep, though I'm not sure if they have URI equivalents for property names. There is a URN for the XML namespace (urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:vcard-4.0), but that's gets us back to where we started. > > >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Paul E. Jones <paulej@packetizer.com>wrote: >> >>> Yes, any URI can be used to identify a property. However, there has to >>> be some agreed scheme and structure for things defined in the IETF. The >>> point of the suggestion was to specify that. >>> >>> We could use HTTP, but I've never seen that scheme used in IETF >>> documents for this type of thing. I've seen URNs, though. >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Sun Oct 06 09:19:42 EDT 2013 >>> *To:* "Paul E. Jones" <paulej@packetizer.com> >>> *Cc:* webfinger <webfinger@ietf.org> >>> *Subject:* Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFinger >>> Properties >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5 October 2013 03:22, Paul E. Jones <paulej@packetizer.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Folks, >>>> >>>> As you know, properties (both link and subject-specific properties) are >>>> identified via a URI. For applications that are defined outside the IETF, >>>> those organizations are able to define any URI they wish to use. For any >>>> we might define within the IETF, however, we need something. >>>> >>>> In anticipation of having such a need, I think we should create a >>>> document along the lines of RFC 6755 for WebFinger. Specifically, we would >>>> define a URN sub-namespace as: >>>> >>>> urn:ietf:params:webfinger >>>> >>>> One such potentially-useful subject-specific properties are "name", >>>> which would be the the subject's name intended for human consumption. If >>>> you've queried my WebFinger server, you would know I currently advertise my >>>> name in English and Chinese. For the "default" name, the URN might be: >>>> >>>> urn:ietf:params:webfinger:name >>>> >>>> For language-specific variants, it might be: >>>> >>>> urn:ietf:params:webfinger:name:zh-CN >>>> >>>> Defining the various properties and their meaning is an exercise for >>>> another day, but I hope you see the value in defining the URN sub-namespace. >>>> >>> >>> Cant this be done using traditional HTTP keys. The advantage being that >>> they can be systematically dereferenced using http GET, rather than having >>> to look it up in a central registry in a non machine readable way. This is >>> what has been going on for 10+ years, with FOAF, schema.org, open graph >>> protocol and others. Have I missed something? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> webfinger mailing list >>>> webfinger@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webfinger >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> webfinger mailing list >>> webfinger@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webfinger >>> >>> >> >
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Melvin Carvalho
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… John Bradley
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Paul E. Jones
- [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFinger P… Paul E. Jones
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Barry Leiba
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Will Norris
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Melvin Carvalho
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Will Norris
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Melvin Carvalho
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Paul E. Jones
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Melvin Carvalho
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Paul E. Jones
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Melvin Carvalho
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Paul E. Jones
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Will Norris
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Paul E. Jones
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Mike Jones
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Kingsley Idehen
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Melvin Carvalho
- Re: [webfinger] Registration of a URN for WebFing… Melvin Carvalho