Re: [weirds] Basis for BOF request for Taipei

Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Thu, 29 September 2011 15:32 UTC

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:35:40 -0400
From: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>
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Subject: Re: [weirds] Basis for BOF request for Taipei
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On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 08:05:12AM -0700, Dave Piscitello wrote:
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> "While there are parts of IRIS that have been widely deployed, as a
>     replacement for WHOIS it has not been a success.  "
> 
> Not certain why we'd need to say more than 
> 
> "IRIS has not been a success as a replacement for WHOIS".

That's ok with me.

> 
> "The Working Group shall undertake to document the existing
>     efforts, to determine the general needs of such a service; and to
>     standardize a data format"
> 
> Does this mean the group will come up with a single data format? 

There's a later paragraph that suggests it might even be a wholly
different protocol.  I can see this needs more work, though, so I'll
see how I can stitch them together better.
 
> Last point. Is it worth mentioning anything about the problems ad hoc solutions to accommodate internationalized registration data using Whois create? Server specific signaling, widely varying response formats, and error reporting already inhibit legitimate automation. None of these scale well today and will only become worse. While I concede that it's not possible to suppress ad hoc efforts, providing a scalable solution offers a practical alternative.
> 

Hrm.  Probably.  Suggested text?

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