Re: WG notifications of new IDs is causing problems

[Michael Lee <[e-mail]>]

WG CC on #2 below has been turned off.

Regards,
Michael Lee,
IETF Secretariat.

On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Russ Housley wrote:

> This seems to be the source of the problem, #1 and #2 both include  
> the WG mail list, which is to notices for the same action.  Can we  
> turn off the WG CC on #2?
>
> Russ
>
> At 05:36 PM 11/15/2007, Michael Lee wrote:
>> For a working group document submission, the submission tool send  
>> out following announcement/notifications:
>>
>> 1. I-D Action announcement to the I-D announcement list and wg  
>> mailing list.
>> 2. A new version notification to the submitter and authors of the  
>> document. WG list gets cc'ed.
>> 3. If the document has been requested for publish and evaluated by  
>> the IESG, a notification is sent to the shepherding AD and  
>> whomever the shepherding AD has indicated within the ID Tracker  
>> (WG mailing list is a default list in this field.)
>>
>> Hope this message can clear some vagueness regarding the issue.
>>
>> BTW, [e-mail] was cc'ed  
>> because a shepherding AD indicated this address in ID tracker.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Michael Lee,
>> IETF Secretariat.
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2007, at 5:09 PM, Jari Arkko wrote:
>>
>>> James, Russ,
>>>
>>> > Geopriv and SIPPING have a lot of of these right now, so this  
>>> issue
>>> > isn't just to one draft, it's to an entire class of message  
>>> type - and
>>> > I find it annoying and makes reading through the 150+ messages  
>>> I get
>>> > each day less efficient instead of more efficient *and* makes  
>>> tracking
>>> > threads nearly impossible.
>>>
>>> I looked at geopriv and sipping archives; many of the messages in
>>> recent weeks were sent by the authors themselves, eg.
>>>
>>>   http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/geopriv/current/ 
>>> msg04649.html
>>>   http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/geopriv/current/ 
>>> msg04665.html
>>>   http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sipping/current/ 
>>> msg14735.html
>>>
>>> But I also found cases where the submission tool sent the message:
>>>
>>>    http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/geopriv/current/ 
>>> msg04573.html
>>>    http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sipping/current/ 
>>> msg14726.html
>>>
>>> Russ' theory was that this could be an error in the tracker's e-mail
>>> notification
>>> field. But at least for this draft (geopriv-revised-civic-lo) the  
>>> data
>>> seemed
>>> correct. I also tested whether the tool used for deriving the  
>>> addresses for
>>> [e-mail] was somehow at  
>>> fault, but
>>> it seemed to list just the authors, as it should. Same for  
>>> sipping-pending-
>>> additions.
>>>
>>> So, maybe this comes from the submission tool, an error in the  
>>> secretariat's
>>> internal database (that I can't see), or I missed something.
>>>
>>> Jari