Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges

Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> Sat, 20 March 2021 02:51 UTC

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From: Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wpack] Call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges
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Mark,

You make a good point about the need for the additional I-Ds, because the charter’s milestones actually call out 3 other I-Ds that address the signing mechanism as well as privacy and security. To be blunt, these other I-Ds have not yet been submitted. There was some security-related text in the bundle document that was removed and Martin Thomson had a content-based origin I-D. I am cautiously optimistic that getting the bundling I-D adopted will encourage the other I-Ds to surface because I strongly suspect that progress on the bundling I-D is likely to grind to a halt without those I-Ds. I do not think that the milestones, which are also a good year out of date at this point, should hold us back from adopting the bundling I-D. But, the entire set of I-Ds is required- it is the pact we made the IESG to get to done.

spt

> On Mar 16, 2021, at 00:59, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> I don't have access to minutes of the meeting yet, so this may have already been answered --
> 
> The charter says that a use cases document, a privacy analysis document, and a security analysis document will be adopted at the same time as the bundling document. What's their status?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
>> On 16 Mar 2021, at 11:53 am, Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Based on interest expressed at IETF 110, this email starts the call for adoption of draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges. The I-D can be found here:
>> 
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges/
>> 
>> This adoption call will run until March 30, 2021 at 2359 UTC. Please indicate whether or not you would like to see this I-D adopted as a WG item. Note that this is an adoption call for the draft as a starting point for the bundle format.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> spt (for the chairs)
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