RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: de-activating a conference

["Even, Roni" <[e-mail]>]

Mike,
This is a service that is not available by all conference bridges and will
need to be implemented by an application server that will use CPCP to start
the breakout session and invite the participants to it. 
What happens in the end of the breakout session, does the conference bridge
bring all to the main conference, can the moderator extend it,, all these
are applications and not part of the conference service in my view
Roni




-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Hammer [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:02 PM
To: Even, Roni
Cc: 'Drage, Keith (Keith)'; 'Rosen, Brian'; Even, Roni;
'[e-mail]'; [e-mail]
Subject: RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: de-activating a conference


Roni,

I am still a little fuzzy on what is/is not being addressed.

For example, if the conference moderator wanted to create breakout sessions 
with defined start and stop times with assigned participants, could this be 
setup with CPCP such that the breakouts are created in 10 minutes, then 
terminate after another 10 minutes?  Note, for certain purposes, one may 
want to disallow independent sidebars using that conference server.

Is this possible?

Mike


At 10:18 AM 1/14/2004 +0200, Even, Roni wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I did not think that the conference work was also addressing reservation
>systems and that is why it is not clear to me why we need the start and
stop
>time of a conference in CPCP. If conference reservation is in the scope of
>the work then we need some more parameters in CPCP for supporting it. We
>also need to understand what it may support for example can I give a start
>time in 2050, what about next month, can I learn from CPCP what resources
>are available at a specific time.  If the start and stop time are only what
>they sound and the application is handled by an application server then
what
>is the difference between having a start and stop time and letting the
>application server start the conference when the scheduled time has arrived
>Thanks
>Roni Even
>
>*************************************
>Roni Even
>
>Polycom Israel
>
>Tel: [phone]
>Cell: [phone]
>email:[e-mail]
>*******************************************
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Drage, Keith (Keith) [mailto:[e-mail]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 6:55 PM
>To: 'Rosen, Brian'; 'Even, Roni'
>Cc: '[e-mail]'; [e-mail]
>Subject: RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: de-activating a conference
>
>
>I do not remember seeing the existence of this separate protocol in any of
>the conferencing documents so far (either in SIPPING or XCON). (If I am
>wrong then pointers gratefully received). If it exists, then I think we
>should clearly identify what its scope is, if only to aid the discussion of
>what the other protocols may or may not do.
>
>We clearly need a start and stop time for conferencing. At the moment the
>only protocol it can be in is the CPCP. If we are going to have an informed
>discussion about why it is not in CPCP we need to understand clearly what
>the alternative protocol is.
>
>regards
>
>Keith
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rosen, Brian [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > Sent: 06 January 2004 14:14
> > To: 'Even, Roni'
> > Cc: '[e-mail]'; [e-mail]
> > Subject: RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: de-activating a conference
> >
> >
> > I don't like this idea because I think that we need a
> > standardized interface
> > for scheduling and "external application server" sounds very
> > proprietary to
> > me.  I guess I could be convinced we need a separate interface, with a
> > separate protocol (maybe it could be iCal), but I'm not yet convinced
> > just specifying a start time in the future isn't a sufficient
> > reservation
> > mechanism.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Even, Roni [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:22 AM
> > To: 'Rosen, Brian'; '[e-mail]'; [e-mail]
> > Subject: RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: de-activating a conference
> >
> >
> > Brian,
> > My suggestion is not to have reservation in the conference policy. The
> > conference policy is used by the focus according to the
> > conference framework
> > and the focus is not the place for handling reservation. I think that
> > reservation is handled by an external application server that
> > will start the
> > conference using CPCP at the time when the conference
> > scheduled time has
> > arrived. The focus may use the conference duration
> > information in order to
> > notify the participants that it the conference end-time is coming and
> > terminate the conference. Extension of the should be done
> > using CPCP either
> > by the participant or an application server.
> > Roni
> >
> > *************************************
> > Roni Even
> > VP Product Planning
> > Polycom Israel
> >
> > Tel: [phone]
> > Cell: [phone]
> > email:[e-mail]
> > *******************************************
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rosen, Brian [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 4:25 PM
> > To: '[e-mail]'; [e-mail]
> > Subject: RE: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: de-activating a conference
> >
> >
> > Again, I'm worried about "privileged users".  I think we need
> > to finish
> > some discussions we started a while ago that essentially are
> > semantics.
> > What is an "inactivated" conference, and how does it differ from a
> > conference that can be re-instantiated (a weekly meeting for example)?
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:57 AM
> > > To: [e-mail]
> > > Subject: [XCON] CPCP Requirement: de-activating a conference
> > >
> > >
> > > This is in reference to requirement REQ-B9 in
> > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-xcon-cpcp-reqs-00.txt
> > >
> > >    REQ-B9: It MUST be possible to inactive a conference for defined
> > >    period of time.
> > >
> > > There are start and stop times for a conference. A conference
> > > might live for days, weeks or even months. Should a
> > > conference policy, using CPCP, allow a privileged user to
> > > de-activate a conference for a period of time within the
> > > start and stop times of a conference? Examples are
> > > administrator is performing some maintenance.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Hisham
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > XCON mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > XCON mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > XCON mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
>XCON mailing list
>[e-mail]
>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon

_______________________________________________
XCON mailing list
[e-mail]
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xcon