Re: [Ianaplan] draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-02 working group last call

["Richard Hill" <[e-mail]>]

Sorry, I don't agree with that.  That language is too vague for me.

If people are not comfortable with the language that is currently in 02,
then I suggest that we develop language to the effect that the intellectual
property rights and the domain name IANA.ORG will be transferred to the ISOC
Trust (or whatever part of ISOC is the appropriate entity to receive it).

In my view, the mark, and the domain name, belong to ISOC morally, if not
legally and, as I said before, I'm sure that everybody would agree that ISOC
will allow whatever entity or entities are providing the IANA function to
use the mark and the domain name.

Best,
Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ianaplan [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Peterson,
> Jon
> Sent: lundi, 3. novembre 2014 17:20
> To: Bernard Aboba; Stephen Farrell
> Cc: Marc Blanchet; Alissa Cooper; [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-02 working
> group last call
>
>
>
> Agreed. "Cooperation with subsequent operators to minimize confusion"
> gives us enough wiggle-room to be able to manage some likely transition
> situations. The prior language probably doesn't.
>
> Jon Peterson
> Neustar, Inc.
>
> On 11/2/14, 7:16 AM, "Bernard Aboba" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > I agree as well.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 1, 2014, at 3:41 AM, Stephen Farrell <[e-mail]>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Alissa's point goes a little beyond my comment on the same
> >> text, but having read this, I share her concerns.
> >>
> >> S
> >>
> >>> On 01/11/14 00:11, Alissa Cooper wrote:
> >>> I¹d like to pick up on one comment I made in my last review of the
> >>> document that did not get sufficiently addressed. It concerns this
> >>> text:
> >>>
> >>> "To address concerns regarding appropriate contingencies to
> >>> transition to another operator, the IAOC is asked to conclude a
> >>> supplemental agreement that- ...
> >>>
> >>> 2.  requires the transfer of any associated marks and identifiers to
> >>> subsequent operators."
> >>>
> >>> My problem with this is that one mark cannot be transferred to two
> >>> operators. So if we end up in a situation where there are multiple
> >>> IANA operators for different registries, how will it be decided who
> >>> gets the existing marks? If I were the current owner of such marks, I
> >>> don¹t see how I could agree to this provision without foreclosing the
> >>> possibility that there may be multiple simultaneous operators in the
> >>> future. This is why I think this requirement should be stated as
> >>> requiring ³cooperation with subsequent operators to minimize
> >>> confusion" associated with marks and identifiers, or some similar
> >>> language that provides a safeguard in the event of transition but
> >>> does not mandate specific transfer actions related to marks and
> >>> identifiers.
> >>>
> >>> I also still find it quite problematic that this section requires the
> >>> IAOC to conclude supplemental agreements, instead of maintaining the
> >>> existing relationship that the IETF has with the IAOC wherein it is
> >>> the IAOC¹s responsibility to determine the format in which is carries
> >>> out its responsibilities on behalf of the IETF.
> >>>
> >>> Alissa
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 28, 2014, at 7:42 AM, Marc Blanchet
> >>> <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello, given the proposed timeline agreed during our last interim
> >>>> meeting and based on that the outstanding issues should have been
> >>>> addressed in the -02 version, this message starts a working group
> >>>> last call on draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-02.  This working
> >>>> group last call will end november 11, 23h59 UTC. Given that our
> >>>> meeting is scheduled on november 10th, it would be useful if people
> >>>> send their comments prior to the meeting so they can be addressed
> >>>> or discussed before or during the meeting.
> >>>>
> >>>> Draft:
> >>>> http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-02.txt
> >>>>
> >>>> Please send comments to the list.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards, Marc&Leslie, co-chairs.
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