Re: [105attendees] Plenary & RSE - Maximize Value of Discussion

"Susan Hares" <> Wed, 24 July 2019 16:21 UTC

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I still do not fully understand the "what" and "why".   It seems important to me to hear those things directly. 


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From: 105attendees [] On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 10:27 AM
To: Livingood, Jason;;; IAB; The IESG
Subject: Re: [105attendees] Plenary & RSE - Maximize Value of Discussion

On 25-Jul-19 02:03, Livingood, Jason wrote:
> (LLC hat off – personal opinion)
> Many opinions and views have already been expressed on the mailing list in the past several weeks. In my personal view, the 'what' and 'why' has been explored and discussed extensively. I don't think rehashing that will bring much value to the community, momentarily satisfying though it may seem. 

I wish, I really wish, I could agree with you. But there are still unanswered questions.

> Rather, in order to maximize the precious value of the mic time at the plenary, I think it would be most interesting for people to express their views on what should happen next - both in the near-term and long-term. It seems some rather fundamental questions about how to proceed in the future have been raised and this is where community views would be highly valuable.

That's true too. But one way to avoid future mistakes is to fully understand past mistakes. Are we at that point yet, as a community?


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