Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project
Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Thu, 23 February 2023 19:51 UTC
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Subject: Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project
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Le 23/02/2023 à 19:19, David Lake a écrit : > I did mention this before! > > A VoLTE call can be connected to the IMS either directly over LTE or via > the ePDG over WiFi. But it is NOT the same as WhatsApp call over WiFi > because there is a GTP handover involved in the same way as if you were > moving between cells. > > BUT. It is up to the operator whether seamless transition between VoLTE > and VoWiFi is supported (many do – some do not). It is also up to the > WiFi operator whether VoWiFi is even allowed at-all (the ePDG for each > operator uses a well-known FQDN so you can either block that, filter the > IP) and up to the M(v)NO because they can also block on the ePDG. > > So this is all in the 3GPP design already. DAvid, sorry if I missed something from what you mentioned. The question is whether or not a VoLTE call can resist handovers to-fro WiFi. I can't try that myself. Maybe you can. Another question is what is VoWiFi? If VoWiFi is a particular operator's view of WiFi, then I can agree that _within_ that operator network the VoWiFi-VoLTE voice calls might resist handovers. But I cant try. I think it is important to be able to try. Alex > > > David > > *From: *6gip <6gip-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alexandre Petrescu > <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> > *Date: *Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 18:11 > *To: *6gip@ietf.org <6gip@ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project > > and, if one wants, one can try also these LTE-WiFi handovers with a > normal mobile phone call (not whatsapp). That can lead to other kinds > of requirements which would probably be more related to GTP and QoS and > VoLTE. > > Alex > > Le 23/02/2023 à 19:02, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit : >> >> >> Le 23/02/2023 à 18:39, David Lake a écrit : >>> <DL> In-line </DL> >>> >>> *From: *Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> *Date: >>> *Thursday, 23 February 2023 at 17:26 *To: *Lake, David (PG/R - Comp >>> Sci & Elec Eng) <d.lake@surrey.ac.uk> *Cc: *Hesham ElBakoury >>> <helbakoury@gmail.com>, Giles Heron >>> <giles=40layerfree.net@dmarc.ietf.org>, Toerless Eckert >>> <tte@cs.fau.de>, 6gip@ietf.org <6gip@ietf.org>, Sridhar Bhaskaran >>> <sridhar.bhaskaran@gmail.com> *Subject: *Re: [6gip] IP Address >>> Mobility Project >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 23/02/2023 à 16:14, David Lake a écrit : [...] >>>>> Of course WhatsApp will work as you switch from 802.11 to LTE >>>>> and back but just as the default bearer in LTE has no QoS, >>>>> current 802.11 (other than WiFi6) has no concept of RF >>>>> capabilities. >>>> >>>> Will it work? Is one sure? I have strong doubts that my whatsapp >>>> phone call will not break if I turn off the WiFi access point and >>>> handover to a 4G network. >>>> >>>> The discussion of glitches - is in addition to that first point. >>>> >>>> If we agree that the whatsapp phone call breaks when moving from WiFi >>>> to 4G, then we can see about the glitches too. >>>> >>>> By 'break' I mean 'hanged' (like when the person at the other end of >>>> the phone line has hanged the phone and I need to dial up again). >>>> >>>> <DL> In telecoms terminology ‘cleared down.’ No – that does NOT >>>> happen. I regularly have WhatsApp sessions that move between 802.11 >>>> and WiFi multiple times. >>> >>> Clarification request: do you mean a move between 802.11 and WiFi? >>> These are approximately the same, and I wouldnt expect breakage there. >>> >>> <DL> No – I meant between LTE and 802.11 (apologies) for WhatsApp. It >>> works all the time for me. >> >> Thanks for the clarification. >> >> So I just tried it myself too. >> >> I performed several handovers WiFi-4G on the smartphone, with an ongoing >> whatsapp audio call. >> >> The best it happens is no interruption in the audio. >> >> Sometimes there are about 2 seconds of loss of voice during handover, >> and then reconnects and becomes normal. >> >> The worst it happens is that the reconnexion trials fail and it hangs up >> with a message on the screen. >> >> Following this situation it is easy to formulate requirements. >> >> In an ideal situation there must be no loss of voice during a handover >> between WiFi and LTE, be that while the two interfaces are up >> simultaneously during handover, or when they are up-down distinctively >> without pause in between, or with a pause from when an interface goes >> down to another goes up. (the pause tolerance should be in the order of >> minutes, or variable, depends on app). >> >> In no case should the app tell that the communication is hanged and >> require the user to restart it. >> >> These are requirements. >> >> These requirements can be compared to the LISP app on the smartphone, etc. >> >> I mean, if other people, like you apprpeciate that there is no whatsapp >> breakage while I think it does, and if these other people are the LISP >> people - is LISP helping with the requirements I put above? >> >> More simply put: if whatsapp doesnt break (as you think) during >> handovers, then why adding a LISP app to it? >> >> If we put there a LISP app, will that 2-3 seconds interruption in >> whatsapp call, that I am the only one to seem to notice, disappear >> entirely? Or will that loss be shortened somehow? Or lengthened? >> >>> [Now what would be REALLY nice is if I could have an E.164 dialer on >>> WhatsApp (both ways) so that I could call anyone from anywhere >>> provided the underlying protocol was the same. >> >> True, that is an additional requirement: make whatsapp able to call >> fixed landlines too, not just mobiles, as currently does. >> >> Or maybe you meant something else with that E.164 that I dont quite >> understand. >> >>> That is the goal of the IETF and that is what I think we should be >>> working on. And if we could include a method for getting WhatsApp >>> media over the GBR EPS just as VoLTE does, that would really start >>> to separate out 3GPP architectures and give me choice as a consumer] >> >> Sounds interesting. It should be set apart in our list of potential >> work items here in this group. >> >> Alex >> >>> >>> </DL> >>> >>> >>> >>> But a move between WiFi and LTE would be different - I would expect >>> breakage of ongoing audio calls there. >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> >>>> Likewise I have calls on VoLTE that move between ePDG (VoWiFi) and >>>> cell (VoLTE) all the time without breaking (although not all >>>> operators support that feature. </DL> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If we dont agree about that breakage, then the discussion about >>>> glitches is different. >>>> >>>> Alex PS: I read the text below, I will see later. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> And even with WiFi6, who determines which packets travel on the >>>>> robust modulation items? You’d just end up with everything >>>>> being marked ‘high-priority’ and there would be much less >>>>> bandwidth to share – self-defeating. >>>>> >>>>> And be VERY careful what you mean by ‘break.’ This is down to the >>>>> use case – if I’m accompanying a singer/soloist over an LTE service >>>>> (which I often do), then what is important for me is utter stability >>>>> – jitter, lost packets or changes of codec are >>>>> an utter nightmare because my brain is already very busy reading >>>>> music, playing the piano. I really don’t have many more cycles left >>>>> to second-guess that lost note or slight change in tempo introduced >>>>> by a bit of packet buffering. In that case, actually VoLTE is very, >>>>> very good. >>>>> >>>>> But if I’m talking to someone where 30% of speech is silence and >>>>> the brain is excellent at in-filling words then the occasional >>>>> glitch on VoIP services such as WhatsApp is probably acceptable >>>>> (although for me, very annoying!) </DL> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For VoLTE I cant do any of these immediately obvious steps. >>>>> >>>>> But I can agree with you, based on trust, that probably VoLTE is a >>>>> great performing tool. >>>>> >>>>> <DL> It is and I think we would be churlish to think it is anything >>>>> but. What I think we need in future 6G networks is a >>>>> domain-independent way of extending the concept of SLAs that is >>>>> implied by IMS across the whole of the Internet so that we offer >>>>> differentiated services both for technical and commercial reasons. >>>>> But we need to do that in an inter-operable and open manner, not the >>>>> closed-world of 3GPP, IMvHO. </DL> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Alex >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Outlook for iOS >>>>>> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fo0ukef&data=05%7C01%7Cd.lake%40surrey.ac.uk%7C4736db40e0ba4d7843b208db15c94fd1%7C6b902693107440aa9e21d89446a2ebb5%7C0%7C1%7C638127726600337772%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LNy3vdcMoK5iH%2FDot6i%2BI5Xbm%2BaQcGwxA%2FPPe%2F6UXXg%3D&reserved=0 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fo0ukef&data=05%7C01%7Cd.lake%40surrey.ac.uk%7C4736db40e0ba4d7843b208db15c94fd1%7C6b902693107440aa9e21d89446a2ebb5%7C0%7C1%7C638127726600337772%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LNy3vdcMoK5iH%2FDot6i%2BI5Xbm%2BaQcGwxA%2FPPe%2F6UXXg%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>>> >>>> >> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fo0ukef&data=05%7C01%7Cd.lake%40surrey.ac.uk%7C4736db40e0ba4d7843b208db15c94fd1%7C6b902693107440aa9e21d89446a2ebb5%7C0%7C1%7C638127726600337772%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LNy3vdcMoK5iH%2FDot6i%2BI5Xbm%2BaQcGwxA%2FPPe%2F6UXXg%3D&reserved=0 > <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fo0ukef&data=05%7C01%7Cd.lake%40surrey.ac.uk%7C4736db40e0ba4d7843b208db15c94fd1%7C6b902693107440aa9e21d89446a2ebb5%7C0%7C1%7C638127726600337772%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LNy3vdcMoK5iH%2FDot6i%2BI5Xbm%2BaQcGwxA%2FPPe%2F6UXXg%3D&reserved=0 <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fo0ukef&data=05%7C01%7Cd.lake%40surrey.ac.uk%7C4736db40e0ba4d7843b208db15c94fd1%7C6b902693107440aa9e21d89446a2ebb5%7C0%7C1%7C638127726600337772%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LNy3vdcMoK5iH%2FDot6i%2BI5Xbm%2BaQcGwxA%2FPPe%2F6UXXg%3D&reserved=0>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> *From:* Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2023 9:12:36 AM *To:* Sridhar >>>>>> Bhaskaran <sridhar.bhaskaran@gmail.com> *Cc:* Hesham ElBakoury >>>>>> <helbakoury@gmail.com>; Lake, David (PG/R - Comp Sci & Elec Eng) >>>>>> <d.lake@surrey.ac.uk>; Giles Heron >>>>>> <giles=40layerfree.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; Toerless Eckert >>>>>> <tte@cs.fau.de>; 6gip@ietf.org <6gip@ietf.org> *Subject:* Re: >>>>>> [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project For the traffic class >>>>>> mutability: the routers in an xGPP (3GPP) network are all >>>>>> under the same authority. This means that that authority can >>>>>> easily configure all intermediary routers to not touch on the >>>>>> traffic class. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alex >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 23/02/2023 à 05:00, Sridhar Bhaskaran a écrit : >>>>>>>> Are there proposals to replace GTP? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <SB> See 3GPP TR 29.892 - >>>>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3gpp.org%2Fftp%2FSpecs%2Farchive%2F29_series%2F29.892%2F29892-g00.zip&data=05%7C01%7Cd.lake%40surrey.ac.uk%7C4736db40e0ba4d7843b208db15c94fd1%7C6b902693107440aa9e21d89446a2ebb5%7C0%7C1%7C638127726600337772%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HAplNShS%2BRpXwCazgoroWphcYDq9eh31eli%2FAkFw7FU%3D&reserved=0 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>>>>>>> classes >>>>>>>> in IPv6 headers, without GTP. >>>>>>> <SB> Flow labels and traffic classes can be changed by on path IP >>>>>>> devices (routers etc). 3GPP endpoints require an unmodified flow >>>>>>> identifier. That is why they keep the flow identifier in >>>>>>> additional layer of encapsulation (i.e in GTP header). The flow >>>>>>> identifier marked by the first 3GPP entrypoint gateway (UPF) is >>>>>>> kept all the way upto radio network in the downlink direction so >>>>>>> that, radio network can directly use that as index to look up the >>>>>>> resource >>>>>>> allocation scheme / scheduler and RRM details. For certain >>>>>>> services like voice media (which is marked by QOS flow >>>>>>> identifier corresponding to QCI/5QI 1), mission critical >>>>>>> services (QFI --> 5QI --> 69) etc, strict SLAs are there. >>>>>>> Network cant afford to let on path routers meddle with QoS >>>>>>> flow markers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards Sridhar On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 1:16 AM Alexandre Petrescu >>>>>>> <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com >>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com > <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Le 22/02/2023 à 19:43, Hesham ElBakoury a écrit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can try to find that out. I remember some relatively recent >>>>>>> presentations at IETF about replacing GTP, or >>>>>>> reducing the number of headers. It might have been in the >>>>>>> (precursor?) of the DMM WG. (distributed mobility mgmt). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A related question, IMHO, would be too whether there is an RFC for >>>>>>> GTP in a first place... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can remember an Internet Draft of year 2000 about GTP - named >>>>>>> simply draft-casati-gtp - but it was not pursued at IETF. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If there were a GTP RFC, then we could think about improving >>>>>>> it, replacing it, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When there is no GTP RFC, one can think about what should an ideal >>>>>>> xGPP (3GPP) network use instead. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or maybe another way... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hesham >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 10:39 AM Alexandre Petrescu >>>>>>>> <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com >>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com > <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com >>> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com > <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David, Giles, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Le 22/02/2023 à 14:35, David Lake a écrit : >>>>>>>>> This: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> “…the 5G UPF terminates the GTP tunnel but also does QoS, >>>>>>> charging, >>>>>>>>> lawful intercept etc. ” >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> … is a VERY important point. GTP enables a number of very >>>>>>> low-level >>>>>>>>> RF features which MNOs need to control their allocation of >>>>>>> spectrum >>>>>>>>> and more importantly the numerology associated with an >>>>>>> application. >>>>>>>>> It is also used in shared solutions such a CoMP. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can agree with the importance of the point above. I can >>>>>>> agree about >>>>>>>> improvements there might be necessary. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can say that QoS can also be done with flow labels and >>>>>>> traffic classes >>>>>>>> in IPv6 headers, without GTP. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But I agree with the importance of the topic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If we are to replace GTP (and I think there is a reason to >>>>>>> do that) >>>>>>>>> we have to provide the interactions to the layer 1 that >>>>>>> MNOs need. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [...] Giles said: >>>>>>>>> I’m not sure that your electricity analysis is correct. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Doing e.g. an MPLS exact match lookup across a FIB with >>>>>>>>> a few thousand labels rather than an IPv6 longest-match lookup >>>>>>> across a FIB >>>>>>>>> with a few million prefixes, for example, may well more >>>>>>> than offset >>>>>>>>> the extra electricity consumption caused by the extra 4 >>>>>>> bytes of >>>>>>>>> header. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And then of course there’s all the electricity consumed by the >>>>>>>>> control plane updates hitting the router CPUs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can agree. But I do not take that as an invitation to ignore >>>>>>>> electricity consumption. Rather, all points you mention >>>>>>> (exact match >>>>>>>> lookup consumption, ctl plane) should be measured and told >>>>>>> who consumes >>>>>>>> more, and then decide what to reduce. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not take your remark as giving up electricity savings >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>> front of >>>>>>>> too much complexity of understanding what's happening. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not take your remark as freedom to add more headers when >>>>>>> it becomes >>>>>>>> necessary to add more functionality. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> More details about this performance degradation can be >>>>>>> provided if >>>>>>>>>> absolutely necessary, but some times trust might also >>>>>>> help for a >>>>>>>>>> quicker understanding towards realizing a common goal. >>>>>>>>>> (the development of trust is another matter that we can >>>>>>>>>> discuss separately :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Trust takes time to earn, and I’d tend to suggest that >>>>>>> arguing that >>>>>>>>> it makes sense to inject a host route for a UE into OSPF >>>>>>> may not be >>>>>>>>> the best way to earn it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Given this apparent disparate understanding about routing - >>>>>>> you seem to >>>>>>>> be more people to be saying the contrary of what I say - I >>>>>>> give up this >>>>>>>> topic discussion on host based routes. Maybe for later for >>>>>>> another G, >>>>>>>> maybe never. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- 6gip mailing list 6gip@ietf.org <mailto:6gip@ietf.org >>>>>>>> <mailto:6gip@ietf.org <mailto:6gip@ietf.org <mailto:6gip@ietf.org >>>>>>>> <mailto:6gip@ietf.org <mailto:6gip@ietf.org>>>>>> <mailto:6gip@ietf.org >>>>>>> <mailto:6gip@ietf.org <mailto:6gip@ietf.org <mailto:6gip@ietf.org >>>>>>> <mailto:6gip@ietf.org <mailto:6gip@ietf.org <mailto:6gip@ietf.org>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2F6gip&data=05%7C01%7Cd.lake%40surrey.ac.uk%7C4736db40e0ba4d7843b208db15c94fd1%7C6b902693107440aa9e21d89446a2ebb5%7C0%7C1%7C638127726600493988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=j1INKaSRf4rX1WMBJyp%2FzLT4DhUteJKEJzZFZ%2Fucw%2BE%3D&reserved=0 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- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings David Lake
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] LISP vs QUIC (Was: Comments on directi… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] LISP vs QUIC (Was: Comments on directi… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] LISP vs QUIC (Was: Comments on directi… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] LISP vs QUIC (Was: Comments on directi… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] scope? (was: LISP vs QUIC) Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings David Lake
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Sridhar Bhaskaran
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] LISP vs QUIC (Was: Comments on directi… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Bless, Roland (TM)
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- Re: [6gip] Comments on direction of 6gip meetings Lars Eggert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Luigi Iannone
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Ca By
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Luigi Iannone
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Luigi Iannone
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Hannu Flinck (Nokia)
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Luigi Iannone
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Ca By
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Ca By
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Bless, Roland (TM)
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Luigi Iannone
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Galina Pildush
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Erik Kline
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Christian Huitema
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project -3GPP name Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project -3GPP name Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project -3GPP name Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project -3GPP name Hesham ElBakoury
- [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- [6gip] 6gip web/wiki ? (was: Re: IP Address Mobil… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Toerless Eckert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Christian Huitema
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Christian Huitema
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Toerless Eckert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Toerless Eckert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] Was: IP Address Mobility Project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] Was: IP Address Mobility Project Toerless Eckert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] Was: IP Address Mobility Project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Toerless Eckert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Luigi Iannone
- Re: [6gip] scope? Dirk Hugo
- Re: [6gip] scope? - naming 5G PPP and 6G Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Bless, Roland (TM)
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Toerless Eckert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Saleem Bhatti
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Giles Heron
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Giles Heron
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Toerless Eckert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Toerless Eckert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Toerless Eckert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Giles Heron
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Giles Heron
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Toerless Eckert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Sridhar Bhaskaran
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project David Lake
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Toerless Eckert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Toerless Eckert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Toerless Eckert
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Arashmid Akhavain
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Rex Buddenberg
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Arashmid Akhavain
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project - in Space Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project - in Space Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project - in Space Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project - in Space Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Arashmid Akhavain
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Arashmid Akhavain
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Dino Farinacci
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project - in Space Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [6gip] IP Address Mobility Project Behcet Sarikaya