Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
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To: "Gregory M. Lebovitz" <gregory.ietf@gmail.com>, ietf@ietf.org, 74attendees@ietf.org, 75attendees@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust
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This is a cool design, I agree. With that said, I think a discussion needs to occur on the devaluation of the importance of what the shirt means - were it to be distributed to any/many folks that did not attend an IETF. There have been several other cool designs from IETFs past, most notably is the one that the IETF refused to have a shirt for (i.e., IETF47 in Adelaide). I think that's still (for those who attended) the most popular IETF shirt. I'll give Juniper credit (dare I? ;-) that this is a very popular design. So, this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?" vs. the purity that those that have an IETF shirt actually went to that particular IETF meeting. I realize this "purity" isn't really purity, given that I'm a rather large man, and sometimes they don't have my size, so I get a size that fits my wife or daughter. But the idea that there is one per paid attendee remains. I fear that advertising ("Joe's Bar/Grill & ISP") will become the next step to gain revenue goals if we go down this path, but I might be being too pessimistic... James BTW - I hate for this whole idea to devolve into this scenario -- the event sponsor will sell the design of the shirt to the IETF, who might believe they can earn more that it cost (sponsor fee plus COGS) in sales. At 02:49 AM 7/31/2009, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote: >I have been asked about this several times this week, so I'd like to >clarify here for all. > >Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San >Francisco T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the >IETF Trust. This was done because a) many people wanted to buy more >of these shirts, b) the IETF expressed an interest in fulfilling >those requests. > >We hope this art can be leveraged to spread the message about IPv6 >transition broadly across the Internet community, in a fun and cool >way . The ball is now in Ray (and team's) court. > >Hope it helps, and enjoy, >the Juniper host team from IETF74 > >+++++++++++++++++++++++ >IETF-related email from >Gregory M. Lebovitz >Juniper Networks >g r e go r y d o t i e tf a t g m a i l do t c o m >_______________________________________________ >Ietf mailing list >Ietf@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF … Gregory M. Lebovitz
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Richard Barnes
- [75attendees] Réf. : Re: [74attendees] IETF74 T-S… cokotracy
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Fred Baker
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Fred Baker
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Ted Lemon
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… James M. Polk
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Knight, Frederick
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Ted Lemon
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Randy Bush
- Re: [75attendees] [74attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Ar… Phil Shafer
- Re: [75attendees] [74attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Ar… Randy Bush
- Re: [75attendees] [74attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Ar… Phil Shafer
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Randy Bush
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to I… Lloyd Wood
- Re: [75attendees] [74attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Ar… Jeffrey Hutzelman
- Re: [75attendees] [74attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Ar… Antonio M. Moreiras