Re: [85attendees] ATL Travel Items

Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com> Wed, 31 October 2012 21:49 UTC

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From: Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:43:05 -0500
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Subject: Re: [85attendees] ATL Travel Items
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The recommended route is quite short and in my paranoid opinion, pretty safe. 

Wandering further afield in Atlanta after hours is likely to produce lots of homeless people looking for handouts. Most are harmless.  However, they're like seagulls at the beach -- feed one where others can see, and you can attract a large noisy flock of them. Most are harmless, and will happily give directions or advice on eateries for a small tip (say, $1). Some are potentially more aggressive. and most of them are probably dealing with some level of mental illness or substance abuse or multiples thereof. Pocket-pickings and purse-snatchings are not common (much safer than Paris, that way) but are not unheard of.  And like any "wild things", some street people can be dangerous if provoked.

I personally try to not to wander around in downtown Atlanta after 2200 by myself. I've never had a problem there but it does make me nervous.

For comparison, I spent one night in Quebec City until quite late in the court of the the local king of the street people talking and drinking. They were pretty nice people, and Quebec City seemed a lot safer than Atlanta to me. Atlanta is much more like  Dallas or Houston, but with even more street people. There's a hard edge to the homeless there that's kind of scary.

Then again, it's a lot less scary than Mexico City, so it's all relative.

--
Dean


On Oct 31, 2012, at 12:12 PM, suhaidi@isoc.my wrote:

> 
> Is it safe to walk at night (after 10pm)from Peachtree Ctr Station to the Hilton?
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> To: John R Levine<ietf@johnlevine.com>; 85attendees@ietf.org<85attendees@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [85attendees] ATL Travel Items (fwd)
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> Here are the directions from Peachtree Station to the Hilton from the Atlanta Hilton website:
> 
> "Take the train north and exit at Peachtree Center Station. Take the Harris Street escalator or follow the directions for Peachtree Center Mall. You will go up a very steep escalator into the Mall. Take the walkway from the Mall to the parking garage. Take the elevator to the street. The hotel is on your right when you exit the garage."
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> From: 85attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:85attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John R Levine
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:47 PM
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> Subject: Re: [85attendees] ATL Travel Items (fwd)
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>> 1. For those arriving on international flights, is the MARTA station
>> accessible and if so how? (iirc, it is near the domestic exit.)
> 
> For domestic passengers go downstairs to the interterminal train and take 
> it to the terminal, a/k/a the T concourse.  You can walk from there to the 
> MARTA station and to shuttles and taxi.
> 
> For international passengers, due to stupid TSA rules you're considered 
> not to have gone through security after you emerge from customs so you 
> can't take the interterminal train.  You can take a free bus from the 
> Red/zone 3 area of the curb to the domestic terminal or there are shuttles 
> in the Green/zone 4 area that are supposed to take you downtown.  I 
> wouldn't know, I always take the subway.
> 
> One you're at the domestic terminal, to take the subway, unless you have a 
> Breeze card, buy a ticket for $2.50 from a machine at the subway station, 
> and take any train.  All trains from the airport stop at Peachtree Center.
> 
> The last train leaves at 01:18 weeknights, 01:00 Saturday and Sunday 
> nights. After that there's no reasonable alternative to a cab.
> 
>> 1b. The site says exit at Peachtree Center but not how to find the 
>> Hilton from there.
> 
> It's less than a 10 minute walk.  Here's a map.
> 
> https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Peachtree+St+NE&daddr=Hilton+Atlanta,+255+Courtland+Street+Northeast,+Atlanta,+GA+30303&hl=en&sll=33.759755,-84.385885&sspn=0.005307,0.008551&geocode=FS8hAwIdAFn4-g%3BFe4oAwId12n4-in_8i4MdwT1iDGXvin7jyOSlQ&oq=Peachtree+Center++Station,+Peachtree+Street+Northeast,+Atlanta,+GA,+United+States&dirflg=w&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=17&t=m&z=17
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> R's,
> John
> 
> PS: Am I the only person arriving in Atlanta by long distance train?
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