Re: [Acme] ACME or EST?

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sat, 29 November 2014 14:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Acme] ACME or EST?
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> Christian Huitema <huitema@microsoft.com>
>> I am not sure that the message description language matters very much
Tony Arcieri <bascule@gmail.com>
> Here's a paper that argues otherwise:
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~sergey/langsec/papers/langsec-tr.pdf

how did you guess what i had in mind :)?  one would hope that we do not
need to be taught this lesson yet again.  the only answer i have gotten
is an example parser,
https://github.com/quartzjer/js0n/blob/master/src/js0n.c which, while an
fsm, does not unequivocally make the case that the language is lr.

randy