Re: [apps-discuss] Call for Adoption: draft-ordogh-spam-reporting-using-imap

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Sat, 12 May 2012 15:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Call for Adoption: draft-ordogh-spam-reporting-using-imap
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On 5/12/2012 8:20 AM, Ned Freed wrote:
>
>     (1) The message was classified as spam and the user has not said
> anything.
>     (2) The message was classified as spam but the user says it isn't.
>     (3) The message was not classified as spam and the user has not said
>         anything.
>     (4) The message was not classified as spam but the user says it is.
>
> You cannot represent all of those in a single bit.


Correct, and I think we should /not/ try to represent all those cases.

Rather, I think we need one bit, which is a "current" classification of 
the message as spam or not.  How that bit gets set should be kept a 
separate matter.  Might be set by the system.  Might be set by the user.

My understanding of research on user-level spam control is that one bit 
is sufficient and more than one bit is confusing, even given the fact 
that user's often invoke the spam button to mean "unsubscribe".

d/
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  Dave Crocker
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