Re: [apps-discuss] Call for Adoption: draft-ordogh-spam-reporting-using-imap

Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com> Sat, 12 May 2012 18:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Call for Adoption: draft-ordogh-spam-reporting-using-imap
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> On 5/12/2012 9:13 AM, John R Levine wrote:
> > I suppose this could be two bits, one the spam state to display, the
> > other a less visible flag the user can toggle, but that's not what IMAP
> > does with its other flags.


> 1.  What is the purpose of the two flags?

There are various ways to define the two flags, but you need at least two in
order to store both system and user determination information.

> 2.  What is the "need" for each of them?

To be able to both present the correct information to the user as well as being
able to get feedback about it.

> 3.  What is the basis for believing the need is substantial?

The fact that large numbers of present UIs work this way.

				Ned