Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .well-known services under HTTP to First Come
Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Fri, 15 January 2016 14:55 UTC
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .well-known services under HTTP to First Come
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Just to clarify a point people have brought up with me in private. Yes, I am aware that Mark Nottingham is the DE for assignment of .well-known URIs and not Mr Fielding. That is something I was hoping Mark would point out himself. The information is public, but it isn't necessarily something people reading the conversation are aware of. The reason I originally brought this up is because of complaints about IETF process that I have received. The external perception of IETF is that there is an inside clique who effectively gets to decide everything through control of registration of code points. And right now I have to agree with them. I want this registry gone because I think it is an anathema to what the IETF claims to stand for. Review by a Designated Expert is not an open process. Review by a DE is not a consensus process. Review by a DE is a distinctly unequal situation in which one party is Pope, the other a supplicant. Now there are cases where DE review is necessary because the code points are limited. But this is not one of those cases and those cases simply should not exist above the Transport layer. The way to get architectural consistency is to describe an architecture with sufficient clarity that people follow it as the natural and easiest course to follow. My experience of multiple DE reviews of URIs is that each has made demands that are completely the opposite of the previous reviewers. There is also a policy issue here which I think we are going to need to discuss on the IETF list rather than here which is what level policy should be set on such issues. Introducing a gatekeeper into the process of deploying Internet applications is not a matter for one working group or even one area.
- [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .well-kn… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… t.petch
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Eliot Lear
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Eliot Lear
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Darrel Miller
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Eliot Lear
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .wel… Phillip Hallam-Baker