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Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .well-known services under HTTP to First Come

"Darrel Miller" <darrel.miller@gmail.com> Fri, 15 January 2016 15:18 UTC

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From: Darrel Miller <darrel.miller@gmail.com>
To: 'Phillip Hallam-Baker' <phill@hallambaker.com>, 'General discussion of application-layer protocols' <apps-discuss@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] RFC 5785: Registration of .well-known services under HTTP to First Come
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Philip,

> From: apps-discuss [mailto:apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Phillip Hallam-Baker
>
> Most Web services make almost no use of HTTP features beyond the protocol
identification described above > and the message framing. If one was
developing a protocol that was only for Web Services, it would not have >
features such as caching which are almost never desirable. 

I believe the assertion you make here is evidence that a designated expert
is required.  You and I obviously live in very different parts of the web.
My role on a daily basis is to interact with developers who are building
services on the web.  My experience over the last two years is that
developers are attempting to make more use of HTTPs capabilities as an
application protocol and are shunning the use of HTTP simply as tunnel for
bytes.

I fully support the use of designated experts to control what becomes part
of standard registries even though I have seen registrations refused that I
believed should have been accepted.  I would much rather the bar be set high
than see registries filled with poor practices.

Darrel

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