Re: [apps-discuss] draft-santos-smtpgrey-02: SMTP Service Extension for Greylisting Operations

["Murray S. Kucherawy" <[e-mail]>]

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Ned Freed <[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> I think we may have somewhat different standards for what constitutes
> sufficient interest. I checked and there appear to be six active documents
> at
> present, and every one of them has been at least 5 times since it was
> initially
> posted. (Yes, there's a -00 and a -01 in the mix, but this fails to count
> the
> versions that came out before the document was adopted by the WG. I
> categorically reject the notion that attention paid prior to WG adoption,
> possibly on some other list, doesn't count.) As far as I'm concerned these
> numbers make a prima facie case for sufficient interest.
>
> That said, opinions appear to be mixed about the likely utility of this
> draft.
> But I've said my piece; time for others to weigh in.
>

Those aren't the only metrics in play here.

Attention on other lists is wonderful, but a WGLC that draws not even a
simple "Looks good, let's go" from a single person on any list doesn't
exactly make us feel comfortable with the notion that it's ready to go to
the IESG or that we could demonstrate WG consensus behind the current
content if asked.  There could be fifty versions that demonstrate ample
past work and interest on this or some other list, but that doesn't
automatically imply this WG (the one processing it, after all) is happy
with it in its current form.  This is especially true if there's current
unanswered feedback from someone posted to the list, or if an author said
"You're right, I'll put that in the next version" but that hasn't
appeared.  Of course, this begs the question of how those documents became
WG items in the first place, an issue we aim to address with the current
"mini-charter" experiment.

Anything short of requiring some or all of the above, and we're essentially
just an abject end-run around AD sponsorship, which seems utterly bogus to
me.

So: Are we wrong to have such criteria?

-MSK