Re: [arch-d] Internet and Architecture as Art

Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com> Thu, 02 May 2019 12:41 UTC

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Dear All,

(I missed to attach the web address below...)

"The design Philosophy of the DARPA Internet Protocols" (Clarck, D.D,
(1988/1995?))

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/The%20design%20philosophy%20of%20the%20DARPA%20internet%20protocols.pdf

Regard,
Guntur Wiseno Putra

Pada Kamis, 02 Mei 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com> menulis:

> Dear All,
>
>
> We may say that "architecture" is about "spaces formed according to
> ordering principles...".
>
> "Cyberspace" in "Tussle in Cyberspace..." I mentioned earlier was about
> the Internet itself in which interests living...
>
> Meanwhile "cyberorder" is supposedly what was concerned by the RFC 1958
> "Architectural Principles of the Internet": connectivity, Internet
> protocol, and end-to-end intellegence.
>
> So what is supposedly the stylistic forms suggested by those "cyberspace"
> and "cyberorders"...--may we say that it is about "net" as it is about
> interconnected networks, or the Internet...?
>
> "The design Philosophy of the DARPA Internet Protocols" (Clarck, D.D,
> (1988/1995?))
>
> with a historical note on the Internet Architecture RFC 3869 (2004).
>
> Here, if we may, may we say about network architecture as art --of which
> the Internet currently understood as computer-based networks of
> communications is part...? --as Ching, F.D.K used as illustrations on his
> concept of "network" in his architectural reading "Architecture: Form,
> Space, and Order" (2007)...?
>
> Regard,
> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>
> Pada Selasa, 30 April 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
> menulis:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> "Cyberspace", tussle and the evolution of the network's technical
>> architecture: it is in "Tussle in Cyberspace: Defining Tomorrow's Internet"
>> (Clarck, D. D et all, IEE/ACM Transactions on Networking, 2005)
>>
>>
>> http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/Tussle%
>> 20in%20Cyberspace%20Defining%20Tomorrows%20Internet%202005's
>> %20Internet.pdf
>>
>> Regard,
>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>
>> Pada Selasa, 30 April 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>> menulis:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>>
>>> To say "Architecture: Form, Space and Order": would it be legitimated to
>>> say "The Internet Architecture: Form, Space and Order"...? --thus it is
>>> about "Cyber Form, Cyber Space, and Cyber Order"...?
>>>
>>>
>>> An article supposedly guides a reading journey:
>>>
>>> https://www.espacestemps.net/articles/cyber-geography-research/
>>>
>>> The hypertext-linked address suggested (http://www.cybergeography.org)
>>> brought us to this page:
>>>
>>> https://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/m.dodge/cybergeography/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regard,
>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>
>>>
>>> Pada Kamis, 18 April 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>>> menulis:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> (I wish that I do not repeate what were ever talked with in this
>>>> architecture-discuss@ietf.org.)
>>>>
>>>> If we may say about "Architecture" is/as "Art" --regarding what Francis
>>>> D.K. Ching said in his "Architecture: Form, Space and Order", John Wiley &
>>>> Sons Inc, 2007, p. IX--, then "Internet Architecture" is/as "Internet Art".
>>>>
>>>> Thus supposedly this research --I finded out in such a "Library Tour"--
>>>> may work for the connection:
>>>>
>>>> ".art: Situating Internet Art in the Traditional Institution of
>>>> Contemporary Art" by Karen A. Verschooren (MIT, 2007)
>>>>
>>>> http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/39149
>>>>
>>>> discussing key players, institutions, and discourses on aesthetics,
>>>> economy, and exhibition methodologies to frame a sociological analysis...
>>>>
>>>> "Based on the definitions of Steve Dietz and Alexander Galloway and
>>>> inspired by Lisa
>>>> Gitelman's understanding of protocols, I will thus in this volume
>>>> define Internet art as
>>>> that set of artworks, which uses Internet technology for its creation
>>>> and presentation, and
>>>> is characterized by a play with protocols, be they technical, economic,
>>>> social or cultural". p.21
>>>>
>>>> Regard,
>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note: To the matter I also ever sent the message to Information
>>>> Architecture Community Group "Information, Architecture, and Art (April
>>>> 18th 2019).
>>>>
>>>