[arch-d] Internet and Architecture as Art

Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com> Thu, 02 May 2019 12:37 UTC

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Subject: [arch-d] Internet and Architecture as Art
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Dear All,


We may say that "architecture" is about "spaces formed according to
ordering principles...".

"Cyberspace" in "Tussle in Cyberspace..." I mentioned earlier was about the
Internet itself in which interests living...

Meanwhile "cyberorder" is supposedly what was concerned by the RFC 1958
"Architectural Principles of the Internet": connectivity, Internet
protocol, and end-to-end intellegence.

So what is supposedly the stylistic forms suggested by those "cyberspace"
and "cyberorders"...--may we say that it is about "net" as it is about
interconnected networks, or the Internet...?

"The design Philosophy of the DARPA Internet Protocols" (Clarck, D.D,
(1988/1995?))

with a historical note on the Internet Architecture RFC 3869 (2004).

Here, if we may, may we say about network architecture as art --of which
the Internet currently understood as computer-based networks of
communications is part...? --as Ching, F.D.K used as illustrations on his
concept of "network" in his architectural reading "Architecture: Form,
Space, and Order" (2007)...?

Regard,
Guntur Wiseno Putra

Pada Selasa, 30 April 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com> menulis:

> Dear All,
>
>
>
> "Cyberspace", tussle and the evolution of the network's technical
> architecture: it is in "Tussle in Cyberspace: Defining Tomorrow's Internet"
> (Clarck, D. D et all, IEE/ACM Transactions on Networking, 2005)
>
>
> http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/Tussle%
> 20in%20Cyberspace%20Defining%20Tomorrows%20Internet%202005's
> %20Internet.pdf
>
> Regard,
> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>
> Pada Selasa, 30 April 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
> menulis:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>> To say "Architecture: Form, Space and Order": would it be legitimated to
>> say "The Internet Architecture: Form, Space and Order"...? --thus it is
>> about "Cyber Form, Cyber Space, and Cyber Order"...?
>>
>>
>> An article supposedly guides a reading journey:
>>
>> https://www.espacestemps.net/articles/cyber-geography-research/
>>
>> The hypertext-linked address suggested (http://www.cybergeography.org)
>> brought us to this page:
>>
>> https://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/m.dodge/cybergeography/
>>
>>
>>
>> Regard,
>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>
>>
>> Pada Kamis, 18 April 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>> menulis:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> (I wish that I do not repeate what were ever talked with in this
>>> architecture-discuss@ietf.org.)
>>>
>>> If we may say about "Architecture" is/as "Art" --regarding what Francis
>>> D.K. Ching said in his "Architecture: Form, Space and Order", John Wiley &
>>> Sons Inc, 2007, p. IX--, then "Internet Architecture" is/as "Internet Art".
>>>
>>> Thus supposedly this research --I finded out in such a "Library Tour"--
>>> may work for the connection:
>>>
>>> ".art: Situating Internet Art in the Traditional Institution of
>>> Contemporary Art" by Karen A. Verschooren (MIT, 2007)
>>>
>>> http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/39149
>>>
>>> discussing key players, institutions, and discourses on aesthetics,
>>> economy, and exhibition methodologies to frame a sociological analysis...
>>>
>>> "Based on the definitions of Steve Dietz and Alexander Galloway and
>>> inspired by Lisa
>>> Gitelman's understanding of protocols, I will thus in this volume define
>>> Internet art as
>>> that set of artworks, which uses Internet technology for its creation
>>> and presentation, and
>>> is characterized by a play with protocols, be they technical, economic,
>>> social or cultural". p.21
>>>
>>> Regard,
>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>
>>>
>>> Note: To the matter I also ever sent the message to Information
>>> Architecture Community Group "Information, Architecture, and Art (April
>>> 18th 2019).
>>>
>>