Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolution program
Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 23 August 2019 20:29 UTC
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From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 13:28:43 -0700
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolution program
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Howdy, On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 11:48 AM Chris Morrow <morrowc@ops-netman.net> wrote: > > I had figured quic was really an admission that: "Adding a new tcp/udp > like protocol was much harder to swallow for the internet than just > re-using an existing thing (UDP)." > > quic COULD have just as easily been done over tcp, esp, ah, icmp ... > all of those come with some baggage though, which UDP didn't have. > (admittedly udp has it's own baggage) > Changing TCP behavior on most systems requires modifying the kernel. Having something built so that it could be modified in user space really was important. UDP is just a demux for QUIC and that's a success because it enabled all of the other functionality to go up into the user space. Just my perspective, Ted
- [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolution … Brian Trammell (IETF)
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Brian Trammell (IETF)
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Tommy Pauly
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Chris Morrow
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Ted Hardie
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Tommy Pauly
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Chris Morrow
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… John Leslie
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Christian Huitema
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… John Leslie
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… John Leslie
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… John Leslie
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Tony Li