Re: [Asrg] Countering Botnets to Reduce Spam

"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Sat, 15 December 2012 01:17 UTC

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>Thank you for the information Chris and Rich. A summary of that idea
>could then be a distributed version of Tripwire, adding P2P, e.g.
>distributed hash tables, or other distributed and decentralized
>algorithms, to software approaches like Tripwire. ...

Other than the magic term P2P, what does this provide above what
packages like Tripwire do now?  Any particular distribution of Linux
is installed from a known set of masters, where the files have known
checksums.  The checksums are not large, and are not a big deal to
retrieve.  What does P2P add?  Random other Linux boxes are certainly
not more likely to have a set of good checksums than, say, an https
server run by a well known distribution organization.