Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6
Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Fri, 26 February 2021 12:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6
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Since Mike invoked me, I'll make my adoption comments in response to his mail. Looking back at the list, I saw a couple of +1s to my suggestion, and a mumble from an author of draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 about Experimental not being fair. I'm surprised to see this adoption poll without first resolving the debate about precedence of I-Ds and not even an announcement from the chairs about a plan for how the two I-Ds will be progressed. Adoption, IMHO, is not about whether a draft is technically ready, but about how the WG wants to address a topic. I don't think we have resolved that question, and so I think an adoption poll on one draft only appears to be prejudging that debate. So I would like us to suspend this adoption poll and sort ourselves out first. Thanks, Adrian From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Michael McBride Sent: 26 February 2021 06:15 To: gjshep@gmail.com; BIER WG <bier@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 Oppose. We are unfortunately no where near consensus on this topic including this draft. We'll likely see that during this adoption call. Adrian's suggestion for consensus remains the best I've heard: simultaneously call to adopt both solutions as experimental. mike From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 8:37 AM To: BIER WG <bier@ietf.org> Subject: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 Thank you all for the active discussion that brought us to consensus. This draft now addresses all of the points of discussion for the solution. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhang-bier-bierin6/ <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatrack er.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-zhang-bier-bierin6%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cmichael.mcbri de%40futurewei.com%7C7aecd20ae06a4b6a300a08d8d9aba70d%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c75 3a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637498678569221968%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC 4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=IV22zV nPbym%2FJTZljh%2FLGNUqxFp4zZKJWcHBTx9a%2BPY%3D&reserved=0> Please reply to this thread with your support/opposition of WG adoption of the draft. Thanks, Shep (Chairs)
- [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… zhang.zheng
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Michael McBride
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… IJsbrand Wijnands
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Mankamana Mishra (mankamis)
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Zhuangzhuang Qin(联通北京市北京市分 公司)
- [Bier] 回复: Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… zhuyq8
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… xiao.min2
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… duanfanghong
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… zhangzhe (M)
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… zhang.zheng
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… zhang.zheng
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… duanfanghong
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… xiong.quan
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… duanfanghong
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… zhangzhe (M)
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… duanfanghong
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Stig Venaas
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… zhangzhe (M)
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… duanfanghong
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Rishabh Parekh (riparekh)
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bi… Michael McBride