Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6

Adrian Farrel <> Fri, 26 February 2021 12:19 UTC

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Since Mike invoked me, I'll make my adoption comments in response to his


Looking back at the list, I saw a couple of +1s to my suggestion, and a
mumble from an author of draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 about Experimental not
being fair.


I'm surprised to see this adoption poll without first resolving the debate
about precedence of I-Ds and not even an announcement from the chairs about
a plan for how the two I-Ds will be progressed. Adoption, IMHO, is not about
whether a draft is technically ready, but about how the WG wants to address
a topic. I don't think we have resolved that question, and so I think an
adoption poll on one draft only appears to be prejudging that debate.


So I would like us to suspend this adoption poll and sort ourselves out





From: BIER <> On Behalf Of Michael McBride
Sent: 26 February 2021 06:15
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Subject: Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6




We are unfortunately no where near consensus on this topic including this
draft. We'll likely see that during this adoption call.


Adrian's suggestion for consensus remains the best I've heard:
simultaneously call to adopt both solutions as experimental.




From: BIER <> On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 8:37 AM
To: BIER WG <>
Subject: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6


Thank you all for the active discussion that brought us to consensus. This
draft now addresses all of the points of discussion for the solution.


Please reply to this thread with your support/opposition of WG adoption of
the draft.