[CFRG] Re: RGLC on draft-irtf-cfrg-opaque-13
Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com> Mon, 27 May 2024 20:49 UTC
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From: Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 May 2024 16:49:17 -0400
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Subject: [CFRG] Re: RGLC on draft-irtf-cfrg-opaque-13
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On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 6:13 AM Hao, Feng <Feng.Hao=40warwick.ac.uk@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Hi Riad, > > > > The factual difference between OPAQUE and SRP-6a is that in OPAQUE, the server is authenticated first, whilst in SRP-6a, the client is authenticated first. The order of authentication has a profound implication in security here. For the case of OPAQUE, the server leaks password verification information via the key confirmation string in the 2nd pass before the client is authenticated. If the client drops out, the server can’t distinguish legitimate drop-outs from online guessing attacks. This means that the server has to deal with false positives (denying legitimate users hence causing the DoS attack to its own users) and false negatives (letting an attacker guess the password without being detected or logged). Managing the false positive and false negative can be complicated in practice. Huh? An attacker can always carry out the full protocol to guess to lock someone out. That a query amounts to a guess doesn't really change this. -- Astra mortemque praestare gradatim
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