Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IETF-77 (March, 2010, Anaheim, CA)

Dave CROCKER <> Mon, 22 February 2010 21:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [clouds] Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IETF-77 (March, 2010, Anaheim, CA)
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On 2/22/2010 12:59 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> My thought exactly. The distinction between cloud computing and open grid
>> computing is very small (or possibly zero)
> With all due respect, Brian, it's really not. With cloud
> computing you're typically dealing with multitenanting issues
> and a bunch of other layer 8-9 stuff that tends (of necessity)
> to be reflected down the stack, and I think I can see an
> argument for cloud computing belonging in the RAI space,
> or at least having substantial overlap.

Having recently gone through the exercise of trying to understand what these 
different terms actually meant, I discovered that the underlying problem is that 
you are both right, as are a variety of other people who have other views...

As already noted, the term 'cloud' is now used in many different ways, including 
as a synonym for 'network' and for 'Internet', even amongst technical folk. 

There are some people who have very specific and nuanced technical definitions, 
including distinguishing cloud from grid.  But no set of definitions seems to 
have a broad base of support.

For defining 'cloud', one group I'm participating in decided it was happy with 
the NIST language:




   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking