Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" gain
Ralph Giles <giles@thaumas.net> Wed, 27 August 2014 15:59 UTC
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Subject: Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" gain
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On 2014-08-27 7:30 AM, Ian Nartowicz wrote: > This seems like a step backwards to me. That MUST is a requirement > that wasn't present before. An earlier statement is "Virtually all players > and media frameworks should apply it by default.", which I think is the > appropriate guidance. That's another one of those non-normative 'should' clauses we'd like to resolve. The intention was that players MUST apply the gain; the exception was for things like transcoders or DAW systems which could propagate the gain without altering the decoded data. Can you think of others? I was trying to clarify that here, while leaving similar wiggle room in the word 'respect'. >> Is there a reason we shouldn't just have two examples? Only brevity. The previous example used album gain because it was offering guidance on how to record album gain in the absence of an R128_ALBUM_GAIN tag. I switched to track gain because I thought that was the more common normalization. "Implementations of this specification MUST respect the 'output gain' field, but MAY NOT respect the comments. Encoder authors are advised to take this into account. For example, it is more robust for a post-processing application to performing track normalization to update the 'output gain' field and write a comment 'R128_TRACK_GAIN=0' than to put the normalization value directly in the comment." -r
- [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" gain Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Calvin Walton
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ralph Giles
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ian Nartowicz
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ron
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ralph Giles
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ron
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ian Nartowicz
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ralph Giles
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ron
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ron
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ian Nartowicz
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Gregory Maxwell
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ron
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … lennox
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ralph Giles
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ron
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ron
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ian Nartowicz
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ron
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ron
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ian Nartowicz
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … John Ridges
- Re: [codec] draft-ietf-codec-oggopus and "album" … Ron