Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic terminology
Stephen Kent <kent@bbn.com> Tue, 11 March 2014 21:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic terminology
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Joe, > On Mar 6, 2014, at 1:23 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com > <mailto:hallam@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> The term opportunistic has become the new synonym for 'Good' but it >> is being used for many different things. >> >> A) Unauthenticated key exchange > > Fwiw, this is IMO an error since I first introduced BTNS, and I had to > clear it up on Wikipedia multiple times. I see nothing opportunistic > about this mode as a stand-alone concept. The original use of the term appears to be from RFC 4322, Micheal Richardson's document. He describes how to use keys retrieved from the DNS with IPsec/IKE, without prior, bilateral arrangements for access control, via the SPD. He defined OE that way, and noted that it was not an unauthenticated mode of IPsec. I prefer that we stick with that definition of the term, which is IPsec-specific. I have suggested "opportunistic keying" as a preferred term, since its the key management, not the encryption per se, that distinguishes other proposed modes of operation for IPsec, TLS, etc. The breakout group at the STRINT workshop that discussed terminology suggested using the term noted above. Steve
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- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Joe Touch
- Re: [dane] Need better opportunistic terminology Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [dane] Need better opportunistic terminology Michael Richardson
- Re: [dane] Need better opportunistic terminology Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Stephen Kent
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Joe Touch
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Joe Touch
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Michael Richardson
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Peter Palfrader
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Tony Finch
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Paul Lambert
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Stephen Kent
- Re: [dane] Need better opportunistic terminology Tony Finch
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Joe Touch
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Nico Williams
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Joe Touch
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Joe Touch
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Michael Richardson
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Michael Richardson
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Stephen Kent
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Stephen Kent
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Joe Touch
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Derek Atkins
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Paul Lambert
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Derek Atkins
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Nico Williams
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Tony Finch
- Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic termi… Joe Touch