Re: [dane] [saag] Need better opportunistic terminology

Peter Palfrader <peter@palfrader.org> Wed, 12 March 2014 06:28 UTC

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Joe Touch wrote:

> Why not just use the term "unauthenticated encryption", when that's
> exactly what's happening?

There is such a thing as authenticated encryption[1], as in AES GCM for
instance, and what we're doing here is not its opposite.  Thus, I think
calling this "unauthenticated encryption" would be a bad idea.

Cheers,

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authenticated_encryption
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